Owner? I didn't think anyone *owned* open source per se. I think what
you have is a small vocal group who is tierd of waiting for hsqldb to
happen and wants to make it happen. How would anyone know where Micheal
is or even that he is in charge of anything since he is unavailable? I
personally don't care who runs what. I just want to contribute and see
this project move forward, something it hasn't done in quite a while. I
would hope that Micheal wants the same while he is away, although a few
months ago I approached this group with the offer of helping and was, in
effect, told to buzz off. That made me wonder about motives, as your
post has.

I think your gang of teenagers metaphor could be better applied to 
people who are more concerned about who has control and who owns what 
than the betterment of the project and the project process.

Frankly I don't care who does what, who gets credit for what, and who
gets to put PM at the bottom of their e-mails. I just want this thing to
move forward and get better, and to that end I offer 15+ years of coding
experience, so you may surmise that I haven't been a teenager for quite
a few years :)

Taking the plans and building another house is counter productive since 
that will just leave us with yet another contribution to the kind of 
digital suburban sprawl that sourceforge and the internet is rapidly 
becoming. A monstrous landscape of bandwidth sucking half-built houses 
all kinda looking the same. Everyone is far better off working on this 
house and making it the best it can be. But if Micheal, in fact, *owns* 
this house, then perhaps we have no choice but to take our tools and 
build one that *doesn't* have locks on the doors right next to it.

all-i-wanna-do-is-write-code-ingly yours
jim


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 >
 > Here is my take on what has happened in the last few days.  A small vocal
 > group has suddenly appeared, who want to take control of an existing 
project
 > in the absence of the project manager, rather than fork the code and 
create
 > their own, which is their real option in this situation.  I equate 
this with
 > a gang of teenagers taking over a house while the owner was out.  Ok, the
 > house was unlocked, and had a please come in sign on the door. 
However, the
 > teenagers decide that they should rearrange the furniture, knock down 
a few
 > walls and try to get themselves put on the deed, rather than take the 
plans
 > left on the table and go build another house the way they wanted it.
 >
 > I'm done here.
 >




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