Again I am not going to discuss license issues or let it disrupt the development of the code. Michael Cannon will hopefully be back in January and follow that up. I am just stating some facts regarding this:
Our license has not changed since the beginning of the HSQLDB project. Our web site clearly states at the top of the home page that it is a continuation of Hypersonic and has had a clear and prominent link to the new home page of Hypersonic since this page was introduced. This is in addition to the link to the Hypersonic project that we had from the beginning. The Hypersonic project page contains a news item dated 26 March 2001 by Thomas Mueller that mentions and links to HSQLDB. The Open Discussion Forum for HSQLDB contains a recent thread discussing a commercial product based on our code. In it, Thomas states his opinions relating to the licence. We have read Thomas's contributions and would always respect his opinion. We certainly don't need to know about your presumptions regarding someone else's position. To everyone, please limit your posts in this list to development issues. There is a separate list and a forum for licence discussions. Fred Toussi Acting Project Manager, Lead Developer, HSQL Development Group ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason van Zyl" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [Hsqldb-developers] Project Guildelines > On 12/16/01 7:32 PM, "Fred Toussi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I will try to be succinct here and point out what is truly relevant to > people contributing to the project. The guidelines are moot if the licensing > issues are left unresolved. > > > I did not set out to discuss or explain licence issues and will not do so > > now. Your reference to it in this thread is OT. > > > Re being rude or presumptuous, please bear in mind that you enquired on this > > list about the licence on 31 October and got a response from Michael Cannon > > on 12 November. Subsequently, you were in email correspondence with Michael > > and myself regarding who runs the project and how. If you were not > > satisfied with the answer to the licence issue which you consider so > > important, how come you offered to help with the documents and CVS on 27-29 > > November and asked to become a developer in the project. > > The original hsql site has changed since that time. Thomas Mueller hasn't > said anything on the list, but I think it's a clear message about the terms > of licesning when it's on the front page of the site. > > > You and other > > contributors are entitled to have a continued interest in license issues but > > it cannot be allowed to disrupt the progress of the project. > > How can you have such blatant disregard for the terms of the original > license? You can't just change the license, it's _illegal_! It's unlikely > that Thomas Mueller is going to come after you for clearly violating the > terms of the original license but it's the spirit in which the change was > made. There's no logical reason for it so the question has to be asked why? > And why switched to the HSQL Development Group? What that entity pertains to > is very relevant. The only thing that's relevant at the moment. > > Again I would urge anyone to reconsider any sort of participation in this > project when there is such a visible disregard for common open source > practices. The license violation firstly, and the very clique like nature of > the project. I know of several cases, after being on this list and talking > with people, where people trying contribute were not treated with a very > much respect. > > Development is not raging onward so for anyone wishing to continue working > with this code base deserves an answer. Again, it is unlikely that Thomas > Mueller would come after anyone using the product but he would have legal > grounds to do so. > > > Fred Toussi > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > hsqldb-developers mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers > > -- > > jvz. > > Jason van Zyl > > http://tambora.zenplex.org > http://jakarta.apache.org/turbine > http://jakarta.apache.org/velocity > http://jakarta.apache.org/alexandria > http://jakarta.apache.org/commons > > > > _______________________________________________ > hsqldb-developers mailing list > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers _______________________________________________ hsqldb-developers mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/hsqldb-developers
