Yes, this was without using the XYZ.  Trying to optimize XYZ would
cause even more problems with images being placed in the wrong spot.

On Dec 30, 3:46 pm, Oskar Sander <[email protected]> wrote:
> Well, not sure if it is the same problem or not but I had some stability
> issues with layouts that puzzled me a bit.
>
> In your case this was a ordinary panorama w.o. XYZ i assume, right?
>
> I had a stability problem recurring in some (4) layout projects.  A couple
> of images get *completly *wrong positions.  Looking closer in the project i
> found bogus control points between unrelated images, this probably threw the
> optimization off.  The problem seems to be that the CP error figure did not
> reflect this correctly so these bad CP did not stand out, nor the other
> correct CPs on the same image.
>
> I thought this was a stability problem caused by the wrong CP + all degrees
> of freedom in my mosaic-project only, but maybe it is an issue with the
> error calculation/cost function in optimization then.
>
> /O
>
> 2009/12/30 kevin <[email protected]>
>
>
>
> > I've been using the trunk version of hugin with the layout code (which
> > is very nice for mosaics which I mostly do) but I've noticed that the
> > optimzer sometimes doesn't work correctly.  Even with good control
> > points it'll place images in the wrong areas.  I first noticed it on
> > smaller stitches of 7-8 images, it would always be the last or next to
> > last image in the series that wouldn't be placed correctly.  For
> > stitches with more images it seems to be various ones in the set.
> > Here's a screen shot of the fast preview to show what I'm talking
> > about:
>
> >http://www.bluelavalamp.net/hugin/after_optimize.jpg
>
> > The top image was made using hugin version 2009.4.0.4742.  After
> > detecting the control points I went and reset everything in the
> > "Camera and Lens" tab.  Then I ran the optimizer using the "Positions
> > (incremental" setting.  That gave me a max error of 18.548.  Opened
> > the fast preview, used identify to show the 3rd to last image in the
> > set - placement is pretty good.  Save the .pto file.
>
> > Then I open the saved .pto file in hugin version 2010.1.0.4834.  I run
> > optimizer again using the "Positions (incremental" setting.  This time
> > it comes up with a max error of 135.164 and the lens parameter "View"
> > is changed for some of the lenses even though those parameters are not
> > marked to be optimized.  Open the fast preview, use identify on the
> > same image as above and the result is the bottom image.
>
> > Has anyone else had problems with the optimizer on the layout branch?
>
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