Carl, I guess when I try to repair trouble I made in one post I just create more ;-)
--John computer user since 1973 satisfied Apple user since 1978 satisfied Mac user since 1984 On Nov 8, 12:50 pm, Carl von Einem <[email protected]> wrote: > JohnPW schrieb am 08.11.11 18:07: > > On Nov 8, 3:25 am, Gnome Nomad<[email protected]> wrote: > >>> IIRC, the Control, Alt and Option keys were all grafted on top of the > >> Apple key - the Apple key was The Apple Way. Having more than one > >> modifier key was considered too confusing for Apple's idea of a user. > > I don't think so. > > But control and alt were omitted on some of the early Apple keyboards. > > Come on, tell me of an application for Apple Macintosh computers pre > 1990 that needed a 'ctrl' key... > I work with Macintosh computers since 1991: QuarkXPress, Photoshop, > Illustrator, PostScript fonts... Photoshop then had two alpha channels > and no layers. It had paths and that worked fine at that time. > > And 'alt' (named 'option' in the early days of the Apple Desktop Bus) > was always necessary for special characters like the copyright sign or > citation marks or my then favourite ' '. And also a ctrl key was on > every "modern" ADB keyboard (sometimes as a 'control' key). It was > barely needed by the casual user, but e.g. all my QuicKeys scripts used > ctrl on my Extended Keyboards as part of the trigger. I think I implied that earlier, when I referred to it as the alt/ option key. It's still labeled "alt option" on my 3 year old MBP. I assume that's how it is on all the new Macs as well. I was just trying to undo what looked (when I posted) like a controversy I had inadvertently created. The original keyboards didn't have a control key, which was only an inconvenience when using it to access a mainframe (I don't remember the keyboard equivalent we used for ctrl.) My point was that Apple kept the GUI modifiers to the command key so now on Macs the control key is used in the traditional way while on Windows centric machines the ctrl key is overlain with functions associated with the GUI (cut, copy etc.) Presumably the Windows key does a whole array of other things specific to the GUI too. > Here is one of the simpler > ones:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Apple_ADB_Keyboard.jpg > "The Apple Way"-key is the one at the top: use it to start and then > restart or shut down your Mac, even worked after a "bomb" popped up on > the screen. > This still works with today's keyboards: ctrl+eject on a running Mac... > (in the following dialog you can use 'r' for restart, 's' for sleep, and > 'enter' or 'return' to shut down) I don't think that was what he was talking about when he referred to the "Apple way" key. I assume he meant the command key which evolved from the "Apple" keys from the original Apple computers (not the Mac.) Personally I like the power key no matter what some folks call it. :-) > >> I delete mask points by left-clicking on (or drag selecting) a point, > >> then pressing the Delete key. But I'm not mouse-obsessed like *some* > >> people, I do use the keyboard ... > > Exactly. But it doesn't work on the OS X version, which I would say is > > a bug. > > No, you just didn't look at the right place ;-) I think we just have to > live with the fact that not every keyboard shortcut works the same on > each operating system. > Although I'm not personally qualified for it, it does seem like many developers have already solved these keyboard mapping problems, so I assume there is a good standard method out there. > I can delete a single, already selected mask point with > ctrl + right click > > No way to delete more than one mask point at once (or add points to a > already closed path), though. That is more of a bug (or a missing feature). That's what I was lamenting. I have filed a bug report. > >> Strange, Delete key works on Linux. Methinks Mac has screwed things up > >> badly if Delete doesn't delete. > > That must be it! > > Could you make sure to have your friend "Mac" repair his "screw up" in > > the Hugin software? :-) > > Better ask Harry nicely if he can think of a solution... I was just prodding Gnome Nomad for blaming Apple for the function of Hugin. :-) Is Harry the go to Mac Guy? I know he compiled my Hugin Binary. > Carl -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Hugin and other free panoramic software" group. A list of frequently asked questions is available at: http://wiki.panotools.org/Hugin_FAQ To post to this group, send email to [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected] For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/hugin-ptx
