Hi Sean--these look great! Of the mockups, I think this one works the best:
"Variant of XO Avatar Sugar Boot, Grey to Colour Dot Transition" It really is very effective, and the color helps a lot! Christian On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 9:33 PM, Sean DALY <[email protected]> wrote: > Here's the second mockup: > http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant.2C_Growing_XO_Avatar.2C_Starts_With_Logo_Splash_Page > > This version includes a logo/copyright splash page and a "growing" or > "approaching" XO avatar. > > Comments welcome please. > > thanks > > Sean > > > On Tue, Jun 2, 2009 at 1:20 AM, Sean DALY <[email protected]> wrote: >> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Eleven_Color_Ray_Variant_of_XO_Avatar_Sugar_Boot.2C_Grey_to_Color_Transition >> >> I've finally updated the wiki with my first mockup! Sorry about the >> delay, I lack graphics editing skills I'm afraid. >> >> I have attached comment to the mockup. I keep the XO avatar size >> stable in this first one, I want to try another one with growing size >> as expressed yesterday. >> >> Note: the idea is this follows a previous page with Sugar logo, >> version info, copyright notice, and distro logo (+ possibility of >> school logo). I will try to work those into my next mockup. >> >> The spectrum colors were cheerfully eyedropped from an image of >> Ellsworth Kelly's painting "Spectrum IV" (1967), with the >> particularity that I thought it interesting to cycle from XO green >> (mockup green darker than should be, sorry) >> >> thanks >> >> Sean >> >> >> >> >> On Mon, Jun 1, 2009 at 2:07 AM, Christian Marc Schmidt >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> Thanks Sean--a visual would be good to fully understand the proposal. >>> I guess my feeling on all of this is that less is more--as Eben said >>> earlier, the boot sequence is really just the set-up for the UI. I'd >>> be happy if we simply did away with the split-XO, but I'm also >>> on-board with adding a bit of color, though I would caution not to >>> overthink it. The reason the Mac OS boot sequence you mention works so >>> well is due to its simplicity. Instead of a face, we have the XO as >>> our emblem--and the circle, while making a reference to connectedness >>> and community, transitions into a core feature of the UI in Home... >>> >>> Either way, looking forward to seeing your mockups! >>> >>> >>> Christian >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 31, 2009 at 5:54 PM, Sean DALY <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> I like Gary's most recent one with the dots filling in color >>>> >>>> I got halfway through a mockup with XO avatars appearing, then >>>> Activity icons, but I feel using either will just be too confusing... >>>> one could think network discovery was happening, or Activity loading. >>>> >>>> After much reflection, I think the friendliest greeting we could offer >>>> to Learners is a face, a Speakish one with eyes rolling around the >>>> ring (and a growing smile) while the colors come on. There are still >>>> many people who fell in love with their little Macs because of the >>>> smiley face. >>>> >>>> But... that's outside the Sugar HIG and I would think twice before >>>> stepping outside of that. So I reread them and came up with this idea >>>> (which I hope to mock up tomorrow): instead of dots, I want to do >>>> oblong ovals like a big version of the Activity spinner graphic. I >>>> searched high and low on sl.o and laptop.org for an SVG but only found >>>> a lo-res PNG :-( so I'll just improvise ovals. What I like about >>>> presenting the spinner is: immediate identification of a waiting >>>> period, no confusion with other elements (the filled in dots are too >>>> similar to networks in the Neighborhood view). Also I like that the >>>> spinner has 11, not 12 dividers; that asymmetry is interesting and >>>> remains clocklike. I like Gary's proposal of empty ones filled with >>>> color which I'd like to keep. And... I'd like to start the middle XO >>>> icon small (e.g. neighborhood view size) and step it up in size with >>>> each spinner step; grow in importance as the system builds, until at >>>> the end normal size. >>>> >>>> As for the colors, I'm not sure I like the color pairs... I'd like to >>>> try solid colors, moving through the spectrum rainbowlike. Less >>>> Sugarish perhaps, but visually stronger might be. >>>> >>>> Not sure if the initial logo flash is enough, but concerned that >>>> keeping it around might fight the spinner ring. >>>> >>>> Will have a visual tomorrow to show (holiday so I will have some time) >>>> >>>> thanks >>>> >>>> Sean >>>> >>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Christian Marc Schmidt >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Sean DALY <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> Re: grey vs. colors in progress: Actually, I have an issue with >>>>>> all-grey... users could worry that colors are not working in the Sugar >>>>>> UI. >>>>> >>>>> If we treated the XO in the center in the selected color combination, >>>>> we would not only address Sean's point, but also act as a signifier of >>>>> identity. But I take it this is a technical challenge? I do also agree >>>>> with the point that gray means "in progress". A simplified version of >>>>> the current boot sequence, without the spinning/split XO, would work >>>>> well I think. >>>>> >>>>> I wouldn't overthink the gray dots--they are just status indicators >>>>> and the more important aspect in this case (in my opinion) is the XO >>>>> and the radial arrangement that references the ring in Home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Christian >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think we should consider colors although I do appreciate the "still >>>>>> loading" context communicated by grey. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will post a mockup later expressing that approach; grey dots present >>>>>> right from the start (ring power!), filling in with color during >>>>>> progress... the ring "approaching" colors from grey >>>>>> >>>>>> I would not recommend customizing the splash/progress from within >>>>>> Sugar... boot time is often a tense moment fraught with impatience >>>>>> (especially after a freeze/crash) and predictability in how Sugar >>>>>> "usually" loads is I think desirable >>>>>> >>>>>> thanks >>>>>> >>>>>> Sean >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Gary C Martin <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 16:36, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agree with your points--comments below: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 10:30 AM, Gary C Martin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Christian, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 10:17, Christian Marc Schmidt wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hi Gary, this looks good, though I wonder about the loss of the XO in >>>>>>>>>> the center. The boot sequence was intended to establish the UI, and >>>>>>>>>> in >>>>>>>>>> many ways the XO does signify the Sugar brand as much (more?) as the >>>>>>>>>> logo. Suggestion: Could we not simply show the logo for a few >>>>>>>>>> seconds, >>>>>>>>>> before transitioning into the current boot sequence? I'd hate to lose >>>>>>>>>> the current sequence, I think it works very well, and Eben will >>>>>>>>>> attest >>>>>>>>>> that much time was spent arriving at where we are today... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yes, agreed, the original boot up is very hard to beat (showing a >>>>>>>>> child >>>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>>> central). Just bouncing ideas about here. My only criticisms of the >>>>>>>>> original >>>>>>>>> would be: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 1) not liking the kid icon breaking into a rotating arrow treatment >>>>>>>>> (seems >>>>>>>>> too forced/smart, the whole XO icon is a stronger identity, appearing >>>>>>>>> dots >>>>>>>>> show progress just fine) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes, I fully agree! A stationary XO icon would be simpler, less forced. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 2) seemed odd for the dots to appear from 6 o'clock to 6 o'clock (12 >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> 12 >>>>>>>>> feels more natural to me) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Agree with that, too. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cool. There's a sample animation of the 2 above uploaded. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 3) lack of any colour (though this is tough to avoid breaking HIG >>>>>>>>> iconography on colour use) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here, I think it would be best if the XO would have the colors set in >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> UI... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sebastian is truly, madly, deeply going to hate you for this suggestion >>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I do like that use of greys to signify that 'things are not ready yet' >>>>>>> so >>>>>>> I'm on the fence here. I did try another animation with the dots >>>>>>> appearing >>>>>>> in the 12 logo fill/outline colours. I did wonder about showing them >>>>>>> all as >>>>>>> grey from the start, and then lighting up with colour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 10:59 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Folks, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Just to get a basic, safe, default starting point in there, I've >>>>>>>>>>> uploaded >>>>>>>>>>> one simple treatment to: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> http://wiki.sugarlabs.org/go/Marketing_Team/Boot_Logo#Sugar_Boot_Logo_Animations >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Will try to upload a couple more tomorrow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Night, >>>>>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> P.S. Should pull this back on list, your call Sean, but probably >>>>>>>>>>> worth >>>>>>>>>>> getting a couple more ideas up so that folks can input to some >>>>>>>>>>> alternative >>>>>>>>>>> treatments. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On 30 May 2009, at 00:58, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Christian, Eben >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not sure if you are on sugar-devel but this is I think an >>>>>>>>>>>> outstanding opportunity for Sugar branding, "celebrating" Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>> interface.iconography and greeting children. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I know nothing about the plymouth boot animator, but i deduce that >>>>>>>>>>>> consecutively named files will do the trick >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I'm willing to attack this but before I try scraping screenshots, >>>>>>>>>>>> do >>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have any interface assets i could grab? >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Input greatly appreciated >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, May 30, 2009 at 12:32 AM, Sean DALY <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Maybe we could work on it together? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> here's my idea.... like my booth rollup banner mockup which >>>>>>>>>>>>> Christian >>>>>>>>>>>>> 7 Eben both liked, I want to stay as much as possible within the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>> HIG and iconography. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> boot should start with our logo ... smaller than in the previous >>>>>>>>>>>>> SoaS >>>>>>>>>>>>> ... (not sure yet if should be with or without "labs") >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> The ring is iconic ... I want to keep a ring at boot... but >>>>>>>>>>>>> instead >>>>>>>>>>>>> of >>>>>>>>>>>>> dots, I want XO avatars - kids! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> In the middle... each succeeding image with a colored Activity >>>>>>>>>>>>> icon... >>>>>>>>>>>>> matched to the corresponding XO avatar appearing in the ring. So >>>>>>>>>>>>> kids >>>>>>>>>>>>> understand that Activities are for them. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And ending with... kids around the Journal! >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Alternate idea: cycling through the 12 logo color combos? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Not mutually exclusive... logo could be on the bottom of ring >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What do you think? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> P.S. I've actually done something similar with a titling sequence >>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>> a short film. I started with the final image and wiped elements, >>>>>>>>>>>>> backing down to the first image >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I use imagemagick a lot no problem to create a script which could >>>>>>>>>>>>> inject arbitrary text into a ppm file >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 11:47 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Sean, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FYI, this came in off list. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> From: James Zaki <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Date: 29 May 2009 22:24:06 BST >>>>>>>>>>>>>> To: Gary C Martin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [Sugar-devel] [SoaS] Request for Artwork: Boot >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Screen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm in touch with a design company who owes me a favour or two. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could get them to whip up some concept designs for inspiration? >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> James >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2009/5/29 Gary C Martin <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 21:37, Sean DALY wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sebastian, Gary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'd like to take a stab at it, I've actually had an idea >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> brewing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> awhile >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cool, shout if you need extra hands/review. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --G >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> What's the deadline please? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> thanks >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sean >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Gary C Martin >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 29 May 2009, at 18:41, Sebastian Dziallas wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi folks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sorry for the short notice, but this is rather urgent. I've >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> been >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> spending yesterday afternoon to update the packages in our >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SoaS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Yum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> repo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to reflect the changes for Fedora 11. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> As it turned out, the plymouth package has been partly >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> rewritten, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> and I >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was wondering (also with regard to #709), how we wanted to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> deal >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> new boot screen. For now, I've just implemented the old Sugar >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> logo >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> again, but we might also want to have something more shiny >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> with a progress bar). >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Some form of progress indicator would be a useful addition. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not really that good at art and the Sugar logo thing >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first nothing more than a quick hack, so it'd would be really >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> great if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> someone could have a look and work on such a boot screen. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm happy to give it a look/shot from a graphics point of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> view if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> no >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one else steps forward. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So. When did you need it by? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> OLPC is currently doing the same for their 1.5 software >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> release, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> gives us a good possibility to have a look at the file >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> structure: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.freedesktop.org/~halfline/olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Please let me know if there's anything I can help with. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm new to plymouth, but looking at the content of >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> olpc.tar.bz2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> seems simple. My main question is where should I look for the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> config >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that describes which images get loaded in what order. Perhaps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> names just conform to some hardcoded protocol? How about the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> location >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of corner-image.png, perhaps hardcoded again? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm just downloading your latest Soas build so will have a >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dig in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> there to see what you have done already – I'm just wondering >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is really as easy as generating a bunch of png files with the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> correct >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> file names :-) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Gary >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> --Sebastian >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sugar-devel mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://lists.sugarlabs.org/listinfo/sugar-devel >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 917/ 575 0013 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 917/ 575 0013 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>>>> >>>>> 917/ 575 0013 >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> [email protected] >>> >>> http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com >>> >>> 917/ 575 0013 >>> >> > -- [email protected] http://www.christianmarcschmidt.com 917/ 575 0013 _______________________________________________ IAEP -- It's An Education Project (not a laptop project!) 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