Yeah, I also expect a VVDS should have been cataloged under either MCAT or 
UCAT. However, there is a VVDS, it cannot be shown when I 
input 'SYS1.VVDS' under DSLIST, but it can be found if I 
input 'SYS1.VVDS.Vxxxxxx' (full name) under DSLIST.
Even the VVDS can be seen under DSLIST with full name search, I didn't see 
a "*VSAM*" Cluster entry (only a Data Component entry there). In addition, 
when I issue a 'LISTC ENT(/) ALL' command against the Data Component of 
that VVDS, it can't tell me where the VVDS is cataloged. So that's why I 
suspect the VVDS is not cataloged anywhere.....

Paul

On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 08:18:15 -0500, Tom Marchant <m42tom-
[email protected]> wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 06:40:42 -0500, Paul Ip wrote:
>>
>>I know VVDS can be created Implicltly when a NON-SMS VSAM or a SMS
>>VSAM/nonVSAM is created under a 'NEW' volume.
>>However, It seems to me that the VVDS (an ESDS itself) is not required to 
be
>>cataloged (meanwhile, some of VVDS are under catalog [MCAT] since we've
>>run a IDCAMS DEFINE Explicltly)
>
>IIRC, the VVDS must be cataloged in any catalog that contains data sets on
>that volume which are in the VVDS.  If you create a data set that is
>cataloged in the master catalog, the VVDS will be cataloged in the master
>catalog.  If you create a data set that is cataloged in a user catalog, the
>VVDS wil be cataloged in the user catalog.
>
>>
>>Can anyone give me an advice on which manual tells us that a VVDS (an 
ESDS
>>itself) can be defined without under a catalog (while Using Datasets just tell
>>not have to be under Master Catalog)
>
>You might try "managing catalogs" or "using data sets".  Or do a search for
>VVDS in the DFSMS bookshelf.
>
>--
>Tom Marchant
>
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