On Wed, 8 Mar 2006 21:19:53 -0500, Shmuel Metz (Seymour J.) <shmuel+ibm-
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>...
>>Last, if the group takes responsibility for software maintenance then
>>must  do so (politically anyway) independently from any group
>>member.
>
>And if the group takes responsibility for software maintenance then
>the group MUST TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR SOFTWARE MAINTENANCE; that
>means cleaning up after themselves and not asking another group to
>bail them out after shooting themselves in the foot.
>...

This is true whichever way the original question is answered.

For all of my career (since the mid '70s) I've been in system programming
groups, but have been responsible for network-related software.  Sometimes
this has been part of the MVS group; sometimes outside it.  Usually the
MVS system programmers were responsible for aything that went into the MVS
CSI.  Sometimes that included me; sometimes not.  ISV and program product
CSIs the product owners were resposible for SMP runs.

In my experience, quality of installation and maintenance had nothing to do
with the group doing the maintenance.  It had everything to do with the
individuals.

I've seen MVS system programmers install a product and then never apply
maintenance because they cared nothing about the product.  (They felt it
was not their dog even after claiming ownership.)

I've seen people both in and out of the MVS systems programming group
slavishly following vendor's installation procedures that violated local
naming standards, had horribly out of date blocksizes, etc.

In other words, the group taking responsibility for the installation and
maintenance of a product needs to do so with a reasonable amount of
intelligence and diligence.

On the other hand (or foot) I would say that asking for assistance after
hosing over maintenance (as with any other problem) is fine after doing
an appropriate amount of homework.  Even very experienced SMPers can
occassionally do themselves in; having another experienced set of eyes
can be a lifesaver.

And if corporate politics dictate that inexperienced users do their own
SMP work, it's to everyone's benefit that the experienced SMP users lend
them a helping hand.  Otherwise they will have to pick up the pieces
later on.

Pat O'Keefe
maintenance

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