You can include our own esteemed Mr. Marshall in that group!  If I recall, and 
I am certain he will correct me if I am wrong, he was a Captain in the Air 
Force.

His contributions to the various "tapes" were much read and I can certainly say 
I learned quite a bit from reading his source code back in the earlier-mid 80's.



 On Tue Jan 29  0:01 , Ed Gould <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> sent:

>On Jan 28, 2008, at 10:12 AM, Traylor, Terry wrote:
>
>> When asked about the significance of a college degree for a  
>> prospective
>> employee, a friend responded that it showed that the individual had to
>> do thing they didn't like or didn't want to do, but did them well  
>> enough
>> to pass.  The same could be said of any branch of military service.
>>
>>
>>  Terry Traylor
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>
>Terry:
>I was in the Army (back in the early 70's) and just from my  
>experience I am not sure I can agree with you on that.
>I had exposure from e2's to Full bird Colonel's. The lifers (as we  
>called them) were sometimes nice people but technical?? nope. I had  
>to train 2 sp/7's and 1 E5 and not one of them had any idea what JCL  
>was and they never wrote a lick of code. When IBM came in to give os  
>an OS/Internals class There were two enlisted people. Myself and an  
>(on leave from IBM type) who had been drafted. He was one of the  
>people who wrote MVS internals(it was being worked on in the early  
>70's) and he was so far advanced he snickered when the instructor was  
>talking about dispatching priority and he said under his breath you  
>don't know what's coming.
>The LT's were generally nice and had some experience but they did  
>learn quickly I will give them that. I caught one doing something  
>that was a "NO no" and turned him in. It was no biggy but the rules  
>had to be enforced.
>The point I am trying to get across is that most army types do not  
>fit in well at a programmer jobs. I did *NOT* say all just most.
>So I don't think you can site army types as having a college degree.
>
>

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