One relates to a conditioning PTF required on the back level system to be able to backout an upgrade from a higher using a backup (DMPQ/MOVQ) process native to CA-7. As I read it they attempted to backout using the standard documented process but the downlevel system couldn't use the data formatted for the uplevel system and queue corruption might have occurred.
It's shutting the door after the event - but also points to a code not a process problem. Jerry Whitteridge Lead Systems Programmer Safeway Inc. 925 951 4184 If you feel in control you just aren't going fast enough. -----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On Behalf Of Bill Ashton Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 9:39 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking meltdown Without having seen the HIPERs, it could be that they are trying to keep others from blowing off their feet if they have staff who are "operationally challenged." B On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 12:34 PM, Jerry Whitteridge < jerry.whitteri...@safeway.com> wrote: > I've just seen 3 HIPER PTF's from CA related to CA-7 that also fit the > reported information on the RBS outage. I'd not be too hasty in blaming > staff at this point. > > Jerry Whitteridge > Lead Systems Programmer > Safeway Inc. > 925 951 4184 > > If you feel in control > you just aren't going fast enough. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Knutson, Sam > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 6:49 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking > meltdown > > To someone who is inexperienced on platform I imagine managing a CA-7 > upgrade is like having the world's smartest dog but it only responds to > commands in Latin. Miscommunication is likely to be a source of > dissatisfaction. > > The average person <30 is not stupid because they haven't been editing > command decks and JCL for 25 years or lazy but software on our platform > tends to be very particular and sometimes unforgiving of mistakes i.e. > failure to specify QUEUE=NOFORMAT or some non-obvious phrase as part of > START command. Since business is no longer content to bring in newbies > and let them spend 5-10 years to reach Journeyman status under the guidance > of more senior folks software is going to have to get smarter and more > forgiving, documentation is going to have to be written with less > assumptions about the expertise of the "systems programmer" and zNextGen > (generic) is going to operate "our" mainframes weather we think they are > ready or not. Some of those next generation folks are not going to be > based in the home office anymore either whether we like that or not. > > The Register is fun reading sometimes but they rarely have enough detail > to get real insight into what actually happened. So really anything we say > here is just idle speculation. Feels like Friday so that's my .02 worth > of idle speculation :-) > > Best Regards, > > Sam Knutson, GEICO > System z Team Leader > mailto:sknut...@geico.com > (office) 301.986.3574 > (cell) 301.996.1318 > > "Think big, act bold, start simple, grow fast..." > > > -----Original Message----- > From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [mailto:IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] On > Behalf Of Tom Ambros > Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2012 8:25 AM > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Subject: Re: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to banking > meltdown > > "Complicated legacy mainframe system"? It's CA-7! If they think that's > complicated they probably can't work a Mr. Coffee. > > Thomas Ambros > Operating Systems and Connectivity Engineering > 518-436-6433 > > > > > > From: Ed Gould <edgould1...@comcast.net> > To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU > Date: 06/27/2012 00:44 > Subject: 'Inexperienced' RBS tech operative's blunder led to > banking meltdown > Sent by: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU> > > > > > http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/06/26/rbs_natwest_ca_technologies_outsourcing/ > > > > ==================== > This email/fax message is for the sole use of the intended > recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. > Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution of this > email/fax is prohibited. 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