> The problem is not in the money, not only here. Speak for yourself. Others are more honest, and the problem *is* the money. Maybe you've never had to live on a budget, but for some of us $5K is not chump change.
-- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU] on behalf of R.S. [r.skoru...@bremultibank.com.pl] Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 6:41 AM To: IBM-MAIN@LISTSERV.UA.EDU Subject: Re: Migrate z/OS DASD volumes from Mainframe to Hercules Environment W dniu 03.07.2020 o 07:34, Brian Westerman pisze: > How much would a hobbyist pay for a Harley, a really nice drone, or some of > the other expensive hobbies. People pay upwards of $1K a year for a new > phone. I did get a discount on that, but I suppose you are correct, if you > can't justify the cost, then it might seem too much. Although, the > alternative of doing it illegally is not even what I would consider to be an > option at all. The problem is not in the money, not only here. It is matter of human mentality. Many aspects of that. 1. (Some) people like to "hack", break rules, be wilful. So, "illegal" Hercules with illegal z/OS is just fancy for them. 2. Free is much better even than $20 per year subscription. Yes, it is close to lunch expense. But it is not free. It require some registration, contract, etc. People don't like it. Free without any obligations is much more attractive. That would induce many young people to just "play and try" this platform. Just for fun. Or just because it may help with some university duties. This is the method to make mainframe more popular or at least known to young people. 3. Nowadays Hercules running any current IBM OS is illegal. However those who want to use it still do it. Including IBMers. Risk? C'mon! The real risk would be when someone provide open classes (JCL, ISPF, etc.) on such system. Or some company deliver some software products with no other "legal mainframe". However for personal use it is quite safe. Yes, illegal. 4. Do you know, Microsoft give almost all their products to students (in Poland) for free. 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