I understand, but in this case the z13s is a supported processor for z/OS 2.5, 
but is almost completely incapable of running z/OSMF.  It can run z/OSMF, but 
the response time is unacceptable.  We finally got IBM to compare z/OSMF on a 
z13s without any zIIP and they came back to say that the one they ran all of 
their testing on was a 4CP 400MIP box (with a zIIP), and they did agree to at 
least state that in the redbook they put out.  However, that didn't change the 
ability to execute acceptably on a z13s at 80 mip.

Brian

   On Wed, 18 May 2022 05:53:46 +0000, Timothy Sipples <sipp...@sg.ibm.com> 
wrote:

>Andrew Rowley wrote:
>>It would benefit customers, software vendors and IBM if IBM could get
>>these small systems onto more reasonably sized hardware. We get a
>>certain pleasure from extracting everything possible from a small
>>system, but in reality it's not productive work.
>
>That�s been happening, actually. Take a look at the minimum configurable CP 
>(general purpose processor) �PCIs� per IBM�s LSPR data:
>
>z10BC: 25
>z114: 26
>zBC12: 50
>z13s: 80
>z14 ZR1: 88
>z15 T02: 98*
>
>As I recall the Multiprise 2000 went down as low as ~3.5 PCIs. So over roughly 
>25 years it�s been about 3.5 to 98 PCIs as the minimum available CP 
>configuration, or about a 28X increase. Insert the usual caveats that �PCI� 
>comparisons are perilous, particularly over this broad range of machines.
>
>IBM doesn�t mandate configuring a zIIP in part because z/VSE and VSEn cannot 
>use a zIIP. But IBM generally recommends configuring at least one zIIP if you 
>run z/OS. zIIPs are (or were) available for all of these models and also for 
>the z9BC.
>
>* As Marna mentioned the IBM z15 models have System Recovery Boost. The IBM 
>z15 T02 capacity model A01 would actually run equivalently to a Z01 capacity 
>model during System Recovery Boost (60 minutes), or with even greater capacity 
>if equipped with a zIIP. An IBM z15 T02 capacity model Z01 has a PCI rating of 
>1,761.
>
>� � � � �
>Timothy Sipples
>Senior Architect
>Digital Assets, Industry Solutions, and Cyber Security
>IBM zSystems and LinuxONE
>sipp...@sg.ibm.com
>
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