Can you PLEASE take non-mainframe related discussion elsewhere Thank you
-----Original Message----- From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List <[email protected]> On Behalf Of Bill Johnson Sent: 15 August 2023 14:53 To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe Caution: External email. Do not open attachments or click links, unless this email comes from a known sender and you know the content is safe. A 13 year old girl in Mississippi was forced to give birth to her rapist baby. All because christofascist want to force their incorrect interpretation of the bible onto everyone. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/aug/14/mississippi-abortion-ban-girl-raped-gives-birth Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 9:28 AM, Bill Johnson <[email protected]> wrote: Even a book listed as fiction in the library has some elements of truth. The Bible is fiction. Christians are atheists when you bring up Roman, Greek, Aztec, Norse, or other non Christian gods. As with the aforementioned gods, they don’t exist either. Nobody ever seems to address the crusades in which Christians killed hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions. And nobody addresses the pedophile ring called the Catholic Church. Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Tuesday, August 15, 2023, 4:10 AM, Seymour J Metz <[email protected]> wrote: Nonsense; the Bible is a lot of things, including History. The fun starts when people argue about which parts are what. There's lot's of allegory, metaphor poetry, etc., but there are also things that match archaeological data. I have this fantasy of a biblical literalist trying to explain how every word of Song of Songs is literally true -- Shmuel (Seymour J.) Metz http://mason.gmu.edu/~smetz3 ________________________________________ From: IBM Mainframe Discussion List [[email protected]] on behalf of Bill Johnson [[email protected]] Sent: Monday, August 14, 2023 10:06 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The ultimate (another one!) definition of mainframe The Bible is 100% fiction. Christians have killed and molested more people than anyone. Pro life? Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone On Monday, August 14, 2023, 10:04 PM, David Spiegel <[email protected]> wrote: Hi Bill, You said: "...Noah never collected 2 of every species. .." That is close to what the Bible says, but is inaccurate. Please see GE 7:2 (The verse says Noah was commanded to take 7 (possibly 14) of each species of "clean" animals. (The Hebrew word טְּהוֹרָ֗ does not translate to English. It is usually translated as clean, which although close is incorrect.) Regards, David On 2023-08-14 21:16, Bill Johnson wrote: > Yes I do. > > It has also been seen as a depiction of nomadic conflict, the struggle for > land and resources (and divine favour) between nomadic herders and sedentary > farmers. The Academic theologian Joseph Blenkinsopp holds that Cain and Abel > are symbolic rather than real. > And Noah never collected 2 of every species. > > > Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone > > > On Monday, August 14, 2023, 9:12 PM, David Spiegel > <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Bill, > You said: "... Cain & Abel which is fictional. ..." > Do you have proof for this assertion? > > Regards, > David > > On 2023-08-14 20:02, Bill Johnson wrote: >> I worked with many brilliant computer people over the years. I also worked >> with people like most of the usual posters here. People who got into IT >> because they were white and breathing. Many from the military. Ask 10 >> posters here a question and you get 4-5 different answers and every poster >> thinks his answer is absolute. There are literally thousands of mainframe >> system programmers, yet the 20-30 here will swear because their tiny shop >> eliminated the mainframe, mainframes are dying. Even when faced with facts >> that say otherwise. Plus, the security on the platform is unmatched. Hackers >> would love to be able to hack the mainframe since that’s where the money is. >> Banks being the big one. >> >> I notice Bob Bridges listed these. “Did we learnanything from the Korean >> conflict, from the American civil war, the 100 Years' war, the Peloponnesian >> war, from Cain vs Abel?” >> >> I’m shocked Bob didn’t mention the Crusades. Where “pro life Christians” >> massacred hundreds of thousands and perhaps millions over 200 years. But did >> mention Cain & Abel which is fictional. >> >> >> Retirement is wonderful. I no longer have to deal with coworkers who can >> barely breathe and chew gum. >> >> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >> >> >> On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:37 PM, Wayne Bickerdike <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> A bigger head beats a bigger mouth every time. Johnson by name >> Johnson by nature. >> >> Yeah, I found this on the internet too: >> >> Noun[edit >> <https://en/ >> .wiktionary.org%2Fw%2Findex.php%3Ftitle%3Djohnson%26action%3Dedit%26s >> ection%3D4&data=05%7C01%7CPaul.Beesley%40ATOS.NET%7C1af0bc883ed14c115 >> 53b08db9d970963%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C63827704 >> 4272540166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMz >> IiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=lRmZTSDIaxjDiH >> 71FydNcO69kXx0CAloz4ZUmcaB%2BP0%3D&reserved=0>] >> >> *johnson* (*plural* *johnsons >> <https://en/ >> .wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2Fjohnsons%23English&data=05%7C01%7CPaul.Beesl >> ey%40ATOS.NET%7C1af0bc883ed14c11553b08db9d970963%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb >> 730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C638277044272540166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8e >> yJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3 >> 000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=xxZXPP2V6dGsRJHCJdGel2zLPRIFE2%2BgrdKzTshPBvo%3D&r >> eserved=0>*) >> >> 1. (slang <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Glossary#slang>) >> Penis >> <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/penis>. quotations ▼synonym ▲Synonyms: >> *see* Thesaurus:penis >><https://en/. >>wiktionary.org%2Fwiki%2FThesaurus%3Apenis&data=05%7C01%7CPaul.Beesley% >>40ATOS.NET%7C1af0bc883ed14c11553b08db9d970963%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e >>70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C638277044272540166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIj >>oiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C >>%7C%7C&sdata=tVZkYkRqKJP44BED1gWHB0zuqzRvumyxvZj5IEwkCds%3D&reserved=0 >>> >> >> >> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:33 AM Wayne Bickerdike <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Way to miss the point Bill. Do you write programs that miss out >>> things because they can be easily found on the internet? >>> >>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:23 AM Bill Johnson < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> https://w/ >>>> ww.itprotoday.com%2Fcompute-engines%2Fwindows-nt-and-vms-rest-story >>>> &data=05%7C01%7CPaul.Beesley%40ATOS.NET%7C1af0bc883ed14c11553b08db9 >>>> d970963%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb730e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C63827704427254 >>>> 0166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLC >>>> JBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=Ua75p7AhG0Zd%2Fr >>>> OQYVrNJRfF1dalJ0htFUn2aXN3EHg%3D&reserved=0 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone >>>> >>>> >>>> On Monday, August 14, 2023, 7:17 PM, Wayne Bickerdike >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Windows NT came from the VAX guys, I think. >>>> >>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:15 AM Wayne Bickerdike >>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> *The facts. According to Bill Johnson.American computer programmer >>>> Timothy >>>>> Paterson, a developer for Seattle Computer Products, wrote the >>>>> original operating system for the Intel Corporation’s 8086 >>>>> microprocessor in >>>> 1980, >>>>> initially calling it QDOS (Quick and Dirty Operating System), >>>>> which was soon renamed 86-DOS. A year later, fledgling company >>>>> Microsoft purchased exclusive rights to sell the system, renamed >>>>> MS-DOS, to IBM >>>> for >>>>> their newly developed IBM-PC. IBM-compatible versions were >>>>> marketed as PC-DOS. Version 1.0 was released in 1981; additional >>>>> upgraded versions >>>> kept >>>>> pace with the rapidly evolving PC. Windows 95, introduced by >>>>> Microsoft >>>> in >>>>> 1995, incorporated MS-DOS 7.0 but ultimately superseded the MS-DOS >>>>> platform. Starting with Windows NT, Microsoft’s operating systems >>>>> were designed independently of MS-DOS, though they were capable of >>>>> running >>>> some >>>>> MS-DOS applications.* >>>>> >>>>> Facts but missing lots of pivotal events. No mention of Gary Kildall. >>>>> Windows 2.0 was a brief look at a Windows O/S. Windows 3.0 >>>>> preceded WIN >>>> 95 >>>>> as did Windows 3.1. >>>>> >>>>> Really who cares? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Aug 15, 2023 at 6:09 AM Jon Perryman >>>>> <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>>>> > On Monday, August 14, 2023 at 03:15:12 PM PDT, Grant Taylor wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> On 8/14/23 3:16 PM, Bob Bridges wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> My hang up is that -- as I understand it -- DOS was /never/ >>>>>>> IBM's to >>>>>> start with. >>>>>> >>>>>>> DOS was /Microsoft's. >>>>>> Again, if you want some insights, you can watch >>>>>> https://eur01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%252 >>>>>> Fyoutu.be%2FQc5khH5gllg%3Ft%3D339&data=05%7C01%7CPaul.Beesley%40A >>>>>> TOS.NET%7C1af0bc883ed14c11553b08db9d970963%7C33440fc6b7c7412cbb73 >>>>>> 0e70b0198d5a%7C0%7C0%7C638277044272540166%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d >>>>>> 8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0% >>>>>> 3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C&sdata=TFBQU%2BsCDqPqUQ8tV4oJFsTLcMoi1%2F8%2F97 >>>>>> MlRotPy4U%3D&reserved=0 that seems to be the prevalent >>>> story. >>>>>> Is this different from the story as you understand it? >>>>>> >>>>>> 1. MS-DOS did not exist prior to IBM / Bill Gates meeting. >>>>>> >>>>>> 2. IBM wanted a new OS. IBM contractred Gates to create this OS >>>>>> which >>>> was >>>>>> to be called PC DOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> 3. Because IBM was gun shy from anti-trust lawsuits, it chose to >>>> exclude >>>>>> ownership of PC DOS thus allowing PC-DOS to be sold as MS-DOS by >>>> Microsoft. >>>>>> Microsoft was not the sole owner of DOS. One piece of software >>>>>> was >>>> owned >>>>>> by IBM and Microsoft. It was IBM's choice not to retain sole >>>>>> ownership >>>> of >>>>>> DOS. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> ----- For IBM-MAIN subscribe / signoff / archive access >>>>>> instructions, send email to [email protected] with the >>>>>> message: INFO IBM-MAIN >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Wayne V. Bickerdike >>>>> >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> Wayne V. 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