On 2/18/2014 3:26 AM, Elardus Engelbrecht wrote:
Ed Jaffe wrote:

To put into perspective, it took 13 cycles to access a doubleword operand on a 
S/360 Model 91. That same memory access on a zEC12 can now be up to 75 TIMES 
slower (relatively speaking).
Interesting. Did you measured that with a handheld tamperproof stopwatch? ;-D 
;-D

Google is your friend. There are many S/360 references on the Internet. This one: http://www.columbia.edu/cu/computinghistory/36091.html confirms, "The Model 91 CPU cycle time (the time it takes to perform a basic processing instruction) was 60 nanoseconds. Its memory cycle time (the time it takes to fetch and store eight bytes of data in parallel) was 780 nanoseconds." 780/60 = 13 cycles for memory access.

Does that '75 times slower' includes handling by CP cache or not (bypassed)? 
Also, what 'access' are you implying? Fetch, Store or Update? Copy to/from 
Register? Compare to something?

Most of that is non-sequitur. We've already established in prior conversations that uncached memory access is approaching 1000 cycles on modern System z machines. That's roughly 75 times slower (relatively speaking) than memory access speed on the Model 91.

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Edward E Jaffe
Phoenix Software International, Inc
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El Segundo, CA 90245
http://www.phoenixsoftware.com/

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