On 2015-02-02 17:59, John McKown wrote:
> Long ago, 1980s, we used VM/CMS for program development. On identical
> hardware, it beat the dickens out of TSO/ISPF. I still have fond memories
> of XEDIT. Of course, ee ran MVS on a separate machine. We ran MVS under
> VM/SP1 for testing, and with shared SPOOL to submit jobs to run on the
> production machine. z/OS might run well if it would use the VM "helper"
> interfaces like VSE. 
>
We tried using VM/CMS for program development, circa 3 decades
ago.  Rapidly gave up because shared (LINK ... MR) access to
MACLIBs with concurrent updates was a nightmare.  We had a service
machine that serialized updates to the MACLIBs, so they were never
actually corrupted, but we got I/O errors because the clients'
in-storage caches of the directories were stale and appeared
to be corrupted.  We moved our MACLIBs to MVS.  Did you confront
that problem?

Nowadays, the logical representation of a MACLIB would be an SFS
directory.  I doubt that IBM has implemented that.

CMS ISPF makes things even worse.

> On Feb 2, 2015 6:46 PM, "Ed Gould" wrote:
> 
>> So, it was IBM saying if you don't run VM, FY?
>> 
Only if you want to have informally developed tools, and see source.

-- gil

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