I have multiple installations running Linux under z/VM where the z/VM sysprogs are very overcommitted. Allowing them to offload work that CAN be done by someone else makes them much more productive - as long as the work assigned is controlled by an authorization mechanism. Most of the work, even DNS admin functions are janitor work, or maybe even clerical (or "management"), why utilize a skilled person for those functions? But yes, every installation needs access to someone with skills, and I'd much rather have 10 new installations, sharing one sysprog than zero with great skills...

William D Carroll wrote:
I think we can safely assume that since this discussion was about VM CMS that 
we're talking operating systems and interfaces to those OS's not applications 
as is your wife's case
GUI's have their place,  I personally do not believe that place is in an OS to 
manage it or it's subsystems where understanding what happens is very important.

I know DNS admins who can't manage their servers without GUI's. That to me is ridiculous and are admins who need to understand more about what they manage. Are they more productive maybe, are they dangerous, I leave that to you
Think of this,  what happens to those admins if their gui breaks and all they 
have is command line.


William 'Doug' Carroll


-----Original Message-----
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Schuh, Richard
Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 12:54 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live?

That is an assumption or opinion, not necessarily a fact. For example, my wife may not know the operating system line mode commands, but she certainly knows the accounting systems that she uses via a GUI interface. In fact, the GUI represents an increase in productivity. I would suggest that if you do not know what you are doing, then you should not use either interface; if you do know, you should use whatever interface you choose. Rule Number 1 (Know what you are doing) applies. Regards, Richard Schuh
You still type in your 3270 emulator, you still have to know what you're doing. GUI's hide that from you

Doug

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