You are totally missing my point Maybe your definition of a GUI is different than what I know to be a GUI.
William 'Doug' Carroll -----Original Message----- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Mark Post Sent: Wednesday, November 24, 2010 6:33 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: The old VM/ESA CMS GUI - Does it still live? >>> On 11/24/2010 at 04:50 PM, William D Carroll >>> <[email protected]> wrote: > My Original Comment on this whole thing was the a 3270 Emulator really is not > a GUI. It is a text based implementation on a GUI desktop, that does not > make it a GUI, your still typing commands. Of course it is, when you use it to execute commands such as rdrlist, filelist, xedit, cut and paste, and any number of other tasks. Having a GUI doesn't mean you don't type or don't think, it just means you type less, and perhaps different things. My point is, people are conflating using GUIs with incompetence, and the two are orthogonal. They bash other people that use their favorite GUI, but would never be willing to give up their own. My company provides a tool called YaST. It can run as a GUI, or an ncurses application. Or, the sysadmin can do everything from the command line. YaST _can_ make Linux sysadmins' lives easier, but if used exclusively, will actually make them less productive. (Think of adding a couple hundred user accounts to multiple systems. Point and click? No way.) Alternatively, exclusively _not_ using a GUI can also make you less productive. GUIs are good for reducing the amount of time and skill needed for repetitive tasks. (They're also good for automating well-defined tasks that involve a lot of "moving parts" that a human can overlook.) They're not a replacement for a sysadmin's need to understand their OS, and how to accomplish things outside of it. Blasting "people who use GUIs" for being incompetent instead of blasting incompetent (or sorely undertrained) people who just happen to be using a GUI misses the root cause. Mark Post This communication is for informational purposes only. It is not intended as an offer or solicitation for the purchase or sale of any financial instrument or as an official confirmation of any transaction. All market prices, data and other information are not warranted as to completeness or accuracy and are subject to change without notice. Any comments or statements made herein do not necessarily reflect those of JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates. This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JPMorgan Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Please refer to http://www.jpmorgan.com/pages/disclosures for disclosures relating to European legal entities.
