job, Politics normally has no place on this sailing list. I don't know if anyone has told you lately, but you surely are a jerk to think that you have a right to insult the political perspectives of others who didn't even bring politics. You have forgotten that your party was discredited in the last election and your point of view has shown itself to be an utter failure. What explains everything, as you say, is your ranting. I certainly hope you do slither from the list.
Jon 1858 Boston ----- Original Message ----- From: [email protected] To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 12:52 PM Subject: Re: [IC27A] Judy - C27 CE are ya'll through with the PISSING CONTEST!?!!?!?! gimme a break....dropping this forum asap ya'll must have voted for OBAMA-nation too!!!! I got it now....Pelosi is YOUR senator!!!! That explains EVERYTHING! In a message dated 6/10/2009 10:51:29 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time, [email protected] writes: Your email suggest that you wouldn't be at all happy buying a C27. I suggest you look for a different boat. Are you suggesting that everybody on San Francisco Bay should get rid of his C27 because it isn't safe to sail in our local conditions? There are hundreds of C27s and crew that have survived thousands of hours of sailing in 35 knots of wind on all points of sail without catastophic failure of a sound deck or chainplates. The deck doesn't pulsate at the shroud backing plates on my boat. (The deck is permanently deflected upwards there, LOL! But it hasn't ripped apart after 32 years!) The C27 has a 40% ballast ratio, and with a few not-expensive upgrades to the rig, is good candidate for sailing in high winds. In my opinion, sailing skill, seamanship and maintenance are usually the limiting factors. Fair winds, Judy B Sailing an imperfect boat in an otherwise perfect world :^) ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- From: Jack Brennan <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 6:19:06 AM Subject: RE: [IC27A] Judy - C27 CE Hi Judy: Thanks for the welcome. You folks out in San Francisco remind me of Vito Dumas in "Alone Through the Roaring 40s." The difference is that Leeg II was a double-ender built like a tank. Not so the C27s. On the '85 I looked at, the chainplates for the forestay and the backstay were stainless steel straps a couple of inches wide. The chainplates for the shrouds were L-shaped brackets supported solely by the deck. This isn't equipment built to take the strain of 35 knots from any point of sail, in my opinion. On my old C&C 25 (which, for the record, didn't sail as well as a C27 does), the shroud chainplates were six inches wide, a foot long and through-bolted to the main bulkhead. To combat this problem, Patrick Childress had custom chainplates built and strapped them to the topsides because he was frightened by the pulsating deck where the shroud chainplates were. Even then, his sail plan for 35 knots of wind was a storm jib. I briefly traded e-mail with Childress a couple of years back on an unrelated topic. At one point, I suggested that he write a book about his circumnavigation. He said he had decided against it because he didn't want to encourage anyone to do what he did. He said that while the C27 is a great boat, it just isn't built for offshore-like conditions. -----Original Message----- From: ic...@yahoogroups. com [mailto:IC27A@ yahoogroups. com]On Behalf Of Judith Blumhorst, DC Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2009 3:32 AM To: ic...@yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: [IC27A] Judy - C27 CE Hi jack, Welcome to the C27/270 Association list. I agree that it's a little crazy to fly a spinny in 30+ knots, but I think you'd be surprised at how much canvas a C27 can carry sailing downwind in those conditions. I've been sailing 49 years, and so far I haven't yet lost a rig, nor twisted any hulls nor put a smile at the front of the keel. My hubby and I regularly fly a 95% (equivalent to a 110% on a std rig) or 135% (equivalent to a std 150%) with full mainsail downwind in 30 knots from the Golden Gate Bridge to the Bay Bridge. That's enough canvas to get the boat surfing on the waves. It's scarey fast. It takes considerable skill to drive in those conditions, because you steer the boat mostly by heeling one way or the other as the waves pass under her, with only minor correction with the rudder. If you over react with the rudder, the boat will round up violently or round down spectacularly and broach. I certainly agree with you that a flat boat is a fast boat on a reach or a beat. We reef and shake out reefs all day long depending on our point of sail if we wanna go fast and flat. We can put one in and or shake one out in under 60 seconds from the cockpit without even rushing. It's second nature to us. I'd go even further and say that a well trimmed boat is a flat boat is a safe boat is a fast boat. Even though we don't race, we can shift gears with the best of 'em. We play the traveller and the sheet leads to put twist in the sails, outhaul to control the lower profile, backstay on for upwind to shape the draft in the jib, cunningham for acceleration or high end speed. That's probably even more important than reefing. Fair winds, Judy B 1977 C27 Tall Rig #3459, "Bijou" San Francisco Bay http://www.blumhorst.com/catalina27/catalinahomepage.htm -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dell Inspiron 15 Laptop: Now in 6 vibrant colors! Shop Dell's full line of laptops.
