Thanks for your thoughts, Joe. I will take all into consideration. Unfortunately I don't have a lot of money to do too much at once. If I do purchase then the most important will be done first with the balance over time. The marina I will be at does all the work below the water line, so the blister/paint work will be done by them. Not what I'm accustomed to. The rest I will do. What you said about the hull, I thought the C27 was a solid hull not cored?
--- In [email protected], JOE ROSE <rose26...@...> wrote: > > Hello Doug, > I need to introduce myself here as well. I just joined the C-27 owners as > well. I have a small boatyard here in western SC where we work on primarily > sail boats. We regularly do jobs ranging from simple bottom work to complete > restorations. I also own a C-25, C-27 and several other brands as well. At > this time our C-27 is our primary boat ans we absolutely love it. >  > I would like to share some experience from, perhaps a different perspective. > First off when buying a boat there is no such thing as normal blistering. > Almost invariably, boats that keep a dry bilge will have no or very few > blisters and it makes no difference about the brand. Transversely boats that > have a wet bilge will almost invariably have a belly full of blisters > depending on how long it's been since the last bottom job. Blisters are > expensive to fix and it is very difficult to dry out a Catalina hull. > Catalina's have a foam core that absorbs water like you simply would not > believe. I have a Capri 25 in the slings right now that I opened all the > blisters, tented it out and used dehumidifiers (2) and two fans on for over > two months before we got all the water out. That is around 50 gallons of > water, and the bigger the boat the more area it has to absorb water. I > start here as this is likely your biggest and most time consuming expense. > Around here blisters run between $2.5-10. each depending on how deep they > are. > Next, the nuts on the keel look terrible, but more often than not it > something of an illusion. The last one we did, after properly sitting the > boat on it's keel we simple removed the old nuts and reinstalled new > stainless nuts. This is still pretty time consuming project even with all the > proper tools and a crane to lift with. This is likely going to be a job for a > yard unless you have a way to lift the boat so as to get full contact on the > bottom of the keel. > Next, a new mainsail even with my 20% discount it is going to be expensive. I > used to send all my sails out to Sail Care in Ford City Pa. They would come > back and look wonderful, but what I finaly figured out is that, while they > look great, they don't sail any better. A blown out sail is blown out, at > that point it will heel the boat more than driving it. This sail is the most > important means of propulsion on the boat. It amazes me how often people will > gladly spend money on cosmetics and neglect the sails all together. > OK, lets look at a more overall view. I am assuming you will do the bottom on > any boat you buy so we'll leave that out. > 3k for the boat > 2K for blisters (avg =200) > 1.5K new main > 1K new electronics > 1K new halyards, window/hatch reseal kits etc. > So now we are at $8500.00 +/- and we have yet to address anything to do with > the engine, cushions, or the rotten bulkhead. > The only problem I have with this math is that when finished you will have a > fine boat that would be worth around 10K if you sold it and you had to do all > the work, so where is the incentive to do this? If you were to value your > time in here at even $25 per hour the cost of this boat is pretty upside down. > Right now there are some really good boats out the for less than they > normally bring due to the economy being in the crapper. > On the other hand if you are one of the bonehead people (like myself) who > actually love working on boats and consider it privilegege rather than a > chore, then by all means grab this thing up. Restoring boats makes no > financial sense whatsoever, but it is quite gratifying to stand back and look > at my work. Keep in mind here that doing things right takes alot more time > than we are used to. > Best Regards > joe rose > > > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Don Burnett <donjam...@...> wrote: > > > From: Don Burnett <donjam...@...> > Subject: Re:[IC27A] Re: Possible purchase of a C27 > To: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:12 PM > > >  > > > > Doug. The rigging (and engine) are key evals. Rigging keeps the mast > up w compression all manner of forces. Most of what you listed is > "expected" more or less. Blisters could be an issue depending on > scope. You may want to sister in some addl keel bots and the rest of > labor you'll need to invest is not insignificant and a pain such as > leaking ports or windows. Roller furling us a big plus if not racing > and that's $1.5k or so. Running rigging not cheap either. Do it up > right. Bottom line - wait for balance of survey and DO negotiate it > down. Walk if you need to. Price of survey is worth every penny if > done well and it sounds good. Don't forget to ask for moisture > readings that a good surveyor will do for deck, rudder etc. I know > you want a boat and seller knows it too. Hang tough. You've got a lot > of "work" ahead of you. Assess your willingness to invest the time and > think about if you want to be sailing or working on boat. Perhaps > there will be another better suited to your pref. I love my c27 and > you will too. Just keep it real and maintain some distance and > perspective. > > Don > 1981 #4855 > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:06, "Doug" <dj2...@yahoo. com> wrote: > > > Well we had the survey yesterday which I was present for and lasted > > all day. The boat was hauled and the bottom was inspected. Still > > waiting for the service guy to evaluate the engine. I don't yet have > > the write up > > Findings so far (most I knew about) are; > > 1. Very neglected 1-2 yrs, spider webs, mud dauber nests, water in > > bilge, etc > > 2. Keel bolts are SS but nut are steel and are very deteriorated > > 3. Mainsail very dirty, stained in fair condition > > 4. !50, 110 hank on sails very good condition (5-6 yrs old) > > 5. Sail cover shredded, non usable > > 6. All ports leaking > > 7. Lifelines in good condition > > 8. Electronics non working (wind speed, direction, depth, boat speed) > > 9. Dead Batteries but battery charger good > > 10. All electrical systems work > > 11. Bottom looks ok ('normal' amount of blisters?) Keel straight, > > minimal slop in rudder, cutlass bearing ok > > 12. Most lines needs updating. > > 13. rigging-I had to leave so have to wait till I get the survey > > paper. > > 14. waste tank ok but the hoses need redoing. > > 15. water tank- ok > > 16. Fuel tank ok but needs new filler hose. There appears to be no > > fuel filter in line to engine. > > > > If the engine evaluation comes back ok, good compression, etc then I > > am still very interested. > > This boat was listed for $9750.00 and I offered 5k contingent upon > > survey. The surveyor siad he would probably value it less maybe 3k. > > Do you think I should re-negotiate less? > > > > Doug > > > > --- In ic...@yahoogroups. com, "dj2210" <dj2210@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi All, > > > I just wanted to introduce myself. I have a deposit on a 1982 C27 > > standard rig. This Friday we will haul and survey so maybe will own > > it this weekend. She will be sailed in east TN after I do whatever > > needs doing. The first thing will be the port bulkhead due to rot at > > the chain plate. (Finding some marine ply might be a problem) This > > boat looks ok but has not been sailed for at least a year so needs a > > lot of attention. New running lines, new cushions, sealing the > > ports, etc, you get the idea. It has an A4 that has not been started > > for some time. I will probably have questions as we come across > > problem areas but this site and links has so far given me a wealth > > of info. > > > Thanks > > > Doug > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >
