Thanks Mark. Look forward to hearing from you.
--- In [email protected], "ChefYaz" <chef...@...> wrote:
>
> The 27 that I cut the keel off of and the one I cut up with a âsawsallâ
> (Katrina salvage)had no core.
>
>
>
> One âschool of thoughtâ put forward by a friend (the Interlux rep at the
> time) on the proliferation of blisters on boats produced after the early
> 80âs was the EPA mandated reformulation of the resins and the OSHA mandated
> air extraction of the factory. Seems it would draw in warm moist air during
> the layup process. This theory was somewhat confirmed by the owner of
> GulfStar yachts (fellow named Lazara, canât remember his first name) in a
> conversation at the St. Pete boat show many years ago.
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>
>
> As far as 50 gal. of water in a Catalina 25, me thinks a water tank was
> punctured.
>
> This was an on going topic of conversation in regards to cored hull boats and
> the water they retainedâ¦dry sailed vs. wet sailed⦠as it pertains to
> weight and speed potential.
>
>
>
> We (a couple of friends, one a 3rd generation boat yard owner and world class
> sailor, the other a simi custom boat builder) along with the help of Doug
> Peterson (a phone call) did some research using a J 35 as a benchmark. Now,
> being as how that was a bunch of years and 2 states ago, I donât have the
> numbers in front of me but think of the cubic volume that much water occupies
> and the cubic volume occupied by the (average ½ to ¾â thick) hull skin.
> In the case of the J 35, you would have to replace the entire (not just below
> the waterline) core with âsolidâ water to achieve the weight gain some
> claimed. The numbers just donât work out.
>
>
>
> Doug, Iâd pass on that deal. To much work/ time/money needed to get the
> boat seaworthy. There are way better deals out thereâ¦In fact, seeing as how
> youâre not that far away, thereâs a Cat 27 on Mobile Bay that may be had
> for a small charitable donation and all it needs is a âfluff nâ buffâ
> and a bottom job. Iâll make a couple of calls and let you know.
>
>
>
> Mark, x-yard foreman, x-boat builder, x-salvager of 4 Cat 27âs
>
> Gratis (6115)
>
> NOLA
>
>
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>
> From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of
> mikea...@...
> Sent: Sunday, January 24, 2010 12:07 AM
> To: [email protected]
> Subject: Re: [IC27A] Re: Possible purchase of a C27
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> Solid fiberglass and tapers from waterline up. Deck is plywood cored.
> Catalina mid 80's is notorios for blisters due to production issues...water
> in bildge would not cause the blisters! Also being that those keel bolts will
> rust, its best to keep that bilge bone dry, it is possible.
> Sent on the Sprint® Now Network from my BlackBerry®
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Harker <jhar...@... <mailto:jharker%40sbcglobal.net> >
> Date: Sat, 23 Jan 2010 21:53:56
> To: <[email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com> >
> Subject: Re: [IC27A] Re: Possible purchase of a C27
>
> Where did you get the idea that the Catalina 27 had a foam core hull?
> It doesn't. I've seen a cutout and it is about an inch thick solid
> fiberglass near (but not too near) the keel. Interesting conjecture
> that water in the bilge contributes to blisters though, I think there
> might be some truth to that.
>
> John Harker C27 'Prana' #6261 Santa Cruz
>
> JOE ROSE wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hello Doug,
> > I need to introduce myself here as well. I just joined the C-27 owners
> > as well. I have a small boatyard here in western SC where we work on
> > primarily sail boats. We regularly do jobs ranging from simple bottom
> > work to complete restorations. I also own a C-25, C-27 and several
> > other brands as well. At this time our C-27 is our primary boat ans we
> > absolutely love it.
> >
> > I would like to share some experience from, perhaps a different
> > perspective.
> > First off when buying a boat there is no such thing as normal
> > blistering. Almost invariably, boats that keep a dry bilge will have
> > no or very few blisters and it makes no difference about the brand.
> > Transversely boats that have a wet bilge will almost invariably have a
> > belly full of blisters depending on how long it's been since the last
> > bottom job. Blisters are expensive to fix and it is very difficult to
> > dry out a Catalina hull. Catalina's have a foam core that absorbs
> > water like you simply would not believe. I have a Capri 25 in the
> > slings right now that I opened all the blisters, tented it out and
> > used dehumidifiers (2) and two fans on for over two months before we
> > got all the water out. That is around 50 gallons of water, and the
> > bigger the boat the more area it has to absorb water. I start here as
> > this is likely your biggest and most time consuming expense. Around
> > here blisters run between $2.5-10. each depending on how deep they are.
> > Next, the nuts on the keel look terrible, but more often than not it
> > something of an illusion. The last one we did, after properly sitting
> > the boat on it's keel we simple removed the old nuts and reinstalled
> > new stainless nuts. This is still pretty time consuming project even
> > with all the proper tools and a crane to lift with. This is likely
> > going to be a job for a yard unless you have a way to lift the boat so
> > as to get full contact on the bottom of the keel.
> > Next, a new mainsail even with my 20% discount it is going to be
> > expensive. I used to send all my sails out to Sail Care in Ford City
> > Pa. They would come back and look wonderful, but what I finaly figured
> > out is that, while they look great, they don't sail any better. A
> > blown out sail is blown out, at that point it will heel the boat more
> > than driving it. This sail is the most important means of propulsion
> > on the boat. It amazes me how often people will gladly spend money on
> > cosmetics and neglect the sails all together.
> > OK, lets look at a more overall view. I am assuming you will do the
> > bottom on any boat you buy so we'll leave that out.
> > 3k for the boat
> > 2K for blisters (avg =200)
> > 1.5K new main
> > 1K new electronics
> > 1K new halyards, window/hatch reseal kits etc.
> > So now we are at $8500.00 +/- and we have yet to address anything to
> > do with the engine, cushions, or the rotten bulkhead.
> > The only problem I have with this math is that when finished you will
> > have a fine boat that would be worth around 10K if you sold it and you
> > had to do all the work, so where is the incentive to do this? If you
> > were to value your time in here at even $25 per hour the cost of this
> > boat is pretty upside down.
> > Right now there are some really good boats out the for less than they
> > normally bring due to the economy being in the crapper.
> > On the other hand if you are one of the bonehead people (like
> > myself) who actually love working on boats and consider it privilegege
> > rather than a chore, then by all means grab this thing up. Restoring
> > boats makes no financial sense whatsoever, but it is quite gratifying
> > to stand back and look at my work. Keep in mind here that doing things
> > right takes alot more time than we are used to.
> > Best Regards
> > joe rose
> >
> > --- On Sat, 1/23/10, Don Burnett <donjam...@...
> > <mailto:DonJamBur%40aol.com>
> > <mailto:DonJamBur%40aol.com>> wrote:
> >
> > From: Don Burnett <donjam...@... <mailto:DonJamBur%40aol.com>
> > <mailto:DonJamBur%40aol.com>>
> > Subject: Re:[IC27A] Re: Possible purchase of a C27
> > To: "[email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com>"
> > <[email protected] <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com>
> > <mailto:IC27A%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > Date: Saturday, January 23, 2010, 3:12 PM
> >
> >
> >
> > Doug. The rigging (and engine) are key evals. Rigging keeps the mast
> > up w compression all manner of forces. Most of what you listed is
> > "expected" more or less. Blisters could be an issue depending on
> > scope. You may want to sister in some addl keel bots and the rest of
> > labor you'll need to invest is not insignificant and a pain such as
> > leaking ports or windows. Roller furling us a big plus if not racing
> > and that's $1.5k or so. Running rigging not cheap either. Do it up
> > right. Bottom line - wait for balance of survey and DO negotiate it
> > down. Walk if you need to. Price of survey is worth every penny if
> > done well and it sounds good. Don't forget to ask for moisture
> > readings that a good surveyor will do for deck, rudder etc. I know
> > you want a boat and seller knows it too. Hang tough. You've got a lot
> > of "work" ahead of you. Assess your willingness to invest the time and
> > think about if you want to be sailing or working on boat. Perhaps
> > there will be another better suited to your pref. I love my c27 and
> > you will too. Just keep it real and maintain some distance and
> > perspective.
> >
> > Don
> > 1981 #4855
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On Jan 23, 2010, at 11:06, "Doug" <dj2...@yahoo. com> wrote:
> >
> > > Well we had the survey yesterday which I was present for and lasted
> > > all day. The boat was hauled and the bottom was inspected. Still
> > > waiting for the service guy to evaluate the engine. I don't yet have
> > > the write up
> > > Findings so far (most I knew about) are;
> > > 1. Very neglected 1-2 yrs, spider webs, mud dauber nests, water in
> > > bilge, etc
> > > 2. Keel bolts are SS but nut are steel and are very deteriorated
> > > 3. Mainsail very dirty, stained in fair condition
> > > 4. !50, 110 hank on sails very good condition (5-6 yrs old)
> > > 5. Sail cover shredded, non usable
> > > 6. All ports leaking
> > > 7. Lifelines in good condition
> > > 8. Electronics non working (wind speed, direction, depth, boat speed)
> > > 9. Dead Batteries but battery charger good
> > > 10. All electrical systems work
> > > 11. Bottom looks ok ('normal' amount of blisters?) Keel straight,
> > > minimal slop in rudder, cutlass bearing ok
> > > 12. Most lines needs updating.
> > > 13. rigging-I had to leave so have to wait till I get the survey
> > > paper.
> > > 14. waste tank ok but the hoses need redoing.
> > > 15. water tank- ok
> > > 16. Fuel tank ok but needs new filler hose. There appears to be no
> > > fuel filter in line to engine.
> > >
> > > If the engine evaluation comes back ok, good compression, etc then I
> > > am still very interested.
> > > This boat was listed for $9750.00 and I offered 5k contingent upon
> > > survey. The surveyor siad he would probably value it less maybe 3k.
> > > Do you think I should re-negotiate less?
> > >
> > > Doug
> > >
> > > --- In ic...@yahoogroups. com, "dj2210" <dj2210@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi All,
> > > > I just wanted to introduce myself. I have a deposit on a 1982 C27
> > > standard rig. This Friday we will haul and survey so maybe will own
> > > it this weekend. She will be sailed in east TN after I do whatever
> > > needs doing. The first thing will be the port bulkhead due to rot at
> > > the chain plate. (Finding some marine ply might be a problem) This
> > > boat looks ok but has not been sailed for at least a year so needs a
> > > lot of attention. New running lines, new cushions, sealing the
> > > ports, etc, you get the idea. It has an A4 that has not been started
> > > for some time. I will probably have questions as we come across
> > > problem areas but this site and links has so far given me a wealth
> > > of info.
> > > > Thanks
> > > > Doug
> > > >
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