On 6/19/13 1:12 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 06/19/2013 11:40 AM, Aaron Yi DING wrote: >> On 19/06/13 21:16, Doug Barton wrote: >>> On 06/19/2013 11:11 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: >>>> On 6/19/13 10:03 AM, Doug Barton wrote: >>>>> Short version, if everyone does what they can to encourage diverse >>>>> participation, we won't need "legislation" to fix the problem. >>>> >>>> I'd like it if that were true but I don't think it is. For example, >>>> the majority of academic librarians are women (one demographic >>>> survey I saw said 80%) but the majority of academic library directors >>>> are men (again, ~80%). >> >>> It's not clear to me how this example relates to the IETF. >>> >> >> On 19/06/13 18:33, Phillip Hallam-Baker wrote: >>> >>> Academia is still one of the worst environments for discrimination. >>> They don't have formal barriers as in the past but the informal >>> barriers are steep. >>> >> >> >> Relating to the statement above(I assume Phillip is addressing the US >> Academia), not quite sure are we still discussing the same topic? sorry, >> I am bit confused .. since IETF is an international organization. > > We can point to all kinds of examples that are outside the IETF of where > various biases exist. It's not at all clear that the existence of those > problems elsewhere corresponds to any actual problem within our > organization. > > That is NOT to say that we don't have a problem, only that making > conclusions based on unrelated data is bad science.
On the other hand, every organization thinks it is special, and most aren't. :-) Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
