On 6/19/13 1:27 PM, Doug Barton wrote: > On 06/19/2013 12:14 PM, Peter Saint-Andre wrote: >> On 6/19/13 1:12 PM, Doug Barton wrote: >>> >>> We can point to all kinds of examples that are outside the IETF of where >>> various biases exist. It's not at all clear that the existence of those >>> problems elsewhere corresponds to any actual problem within our >>> organization. >>> >>> That is NOT to say that we don't have a problem, only that making >>> conclusions based on unrelated data is bad science. >> >> On the other hand, every organization thinks it is special, and most >> aren't. :-) > > I thought I made it clear that I'm not saying, "there is no problem." I > am only saying that pointing to other, unrelated situations and saying > "They seem to have a problem, so we must have a problem" is a waste of > everyone's time. > > The more interesting questions are whether or not the current makeup of > the IETF leadership is reflective of the population (nee "membership") > of the IETF as a whole; and whether or not the IETF population reflects > the larger population of the tech community it draws from. Those are > problems that outreach, mentorship, etc. can make concrete impacts on. > > But until we understand what WE are dealing with (as opposed to what > other organizations are dealing with) we're not going to make any actual > progress.
Very well said. Peter -- Peter Saint-Andre https://stpeter.im/
