On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:40 am, Tzafrir Cohen wrote: > On Mon, Sep 13, 2004 at 11:00:55AM +0300, Shlomi Fish wrote: > > On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 10:37 am, Diego Iastrubni wrote: > > > Hi all, > > > > > > Here are my non educated and random thoughts: > > > > > > 1) Making a CVS/SVN/whatever server is not enough. Each project needs > > > also a bugzilla, and a ML or a forum. > > > > Well, a mailing list is not an issue - I can easily create one with > > ezmlm. If setting up a forum means setting PHP-BB or something similar, > > than it's not an issue as well, because I've done it before. Bugzilla > > does not seem to be too intimidating either. > > > > In any case, I think the most critical thing here is the version control > > system. Sites like SourceForge, BerliOS or Savannah can easily give > > hosting to mailing lists, forums, a web site, a bug-tracker (not bugzilla > > unfortunately, but still better than nothing), etc. > > > > > We need to host also a small site for each > > > project, which will have multiple downloads. This setup is not as > > > trivial as you think. Will you be able to support this for the next > > > year or 2? > > > > I'd rather start with hosting some Subversion repositories and then see > > where we go on from there. Let's kill one cow at a time. > > > > > 2) The size problem is much bigger then you think. What kind of > > > proejcts will you host? Maybe someone will come with a new php/nuke > > > localized version ? with patches and versions, and downloadable > > > versions, it will take much more then you think. We cannot backup the > > > projects, which is another problem. > > > > It's true that we cannot backup the projects. However, we can store the > > repositories' dumps somewhere, so people can backup them themselves. > > (using rsync or HTTP or whatever). I will host most small to medium sized > > projects. I don't expect eskimo to be adequate for something like the > > GIMP... ;-) > > Again, Shlomi: what can we provide that can't be provided better by > SourceForge, Berlios, Savanah, and Sunside.dk ?
Nothing, once they support Subversion hosting proper, with both protocols, etc. At the moment they don't. > > I don't know if any of them already provides Subversion, but CVS is not > that much worse. Here we disagree. CVS cripples the development process because of its many limitations. Subversion is so much better. See what I wrote for the w2l mailing list. > And one can always turn elsewhere to get a Subversion > server. Turn where exactly? opensvn.csie.org has slow connectivity. http://www.svnhosting.org is limited to 25 MB. berlios.de does not provide HTTP/S access. (not always too critical). http://www.cvsdude.org/ has only limited service for gratis use. > > Alternatively, you may want to provide just subversion services, because > SF doesn't provide it yet. > Correct. That was my original intention before Diego claimed we need to provide more services for some reason. > > > How abuout FreeDOS? it's stable and usable. ReactOS is installable > > > under QEMU, but not really usable. Tested it a few months ago, and it's > > > a shiny toy, nothing more. > > Nice, and not too big. > Won't be a problem to mirror then. > > FreeDOS may be stable and usable, but I don't think it's in the interest > > of the general public. DOS, nowadays, is mostly used for things like > > embedded software, or hardware testing, and for running legacy > > applications. Very few people will use it for their desktop system. > > Besides, it's probably not such a big download. > > > > > 4) A contrib mirror for Mandrake is a good idea, since we have all > > > other MDK content in IGLU. This is the only piece missing (maybe > > > cooker). > > > > Right. > > Me too. I'd give cotrib a higher priority. I guess I can try setting it up. Or, Ilya, would you rather do it instead? Regards, Shlomi Fish -- --------------------------------------------------------------------- Shlomi Fish [EMAIL PROTECTED] Homepage: http://shlomif.il.eu.org/ Knuth is not God! It took him two days to build the Roman Empire.
