>At 7:55 -0500 2/4/2003, Charles Martin wrote:
>  >> When your AppleCare runs out, it's a sign that you should start saving
>>>  up for a new machine, assuming you haven't already.
>>>
>  >> _Chass_
>

>>
>>  From: Geoffrey Loeffler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
That is just poor unfounded advice.

, Charles Martin wrote:
>No it isn't. Nobody has said that your machine will spontaneously stop
>working when the AppleCare runs out. What I *did* say was that after a
>machine is out of warranty, it is no longer economically viable to fix
>it when it breaks. Sure you can continue using it -- for years on end,
>perhaps -- but when it breaks, it will be more viable to replace it
>than fix it.
>

, Charles Martin wrote:
>When your AppleCare runs out, it's a sign that you should start saving
>up for a new machine, assuming you haven't already.

It still is poor unfounded advice
        The above implies that a user should be saving for a new Mac 
just because Apple Care runs out. For the average user why?. My 
pismos are getting older but replace it with a new $3200 PB,, not yet.
        One of Apples real strong selling points is they are well 
built and they are usually easy to upgrade in ways that keep you in 
the loop for years.. (Exclude road apples)
        Just because a machine has a repair problem does not mean it 
is dead, a throwaway or even expensive to repair.. My 6100 G 3 screen 
went black, a typical 3 year event, a $7.00 pram battery and 2 
minutes of time has it singing again.  So should that machine should 
be trashed ? First time it happened I thought the worse, a few 
questions and the answer was passed. on
        Parts for the older machines are plentiful and a lot less 
expensive as the product line marches on., just look at the swap 
list.  I paid $1300 for 40 megs of ram in 1995, today the 61G3 has 
256 megs of ram for $50
        I understand there are people who do need max power. They 
work the problems out, produce great media art and allows others to 
get the best machine possible at a huge savings., less a year or two 
from release.
        The average plug and play, I saved Xmas user will get many 
years of use past the Apple Care protection.. If you even have one. 
Macs are easy to work on, people are willing to give good advice with 
repairs and most parts are cheap and again they are well built 
machines IMHO..

>So I stand by my advice: once the AppleCare runs out on your machine,
>you should start saving for a new one.

Well of course you need to stand somewhere. I prefer to take care of 
them, run them into the ground and then use them for less intensive 
work. Or give them to kids who have no computers. In all I have owned 
over 15 Macs starting with the 128 k and I never had a hardware 
related issue. I did get some RMA work on the 190s/5300s but again 
Apple stood up to the mistake.. An expansion bay on a 3400 went bad,. 
Replaced on eBay.

>There is no need to upgrade just because your Apple Care plan ran
>  > out.
>Um, dude, nobody actually said this. I said you should start *saving*
>for a new one.
>
>_Chass_

Umm Dudiette,  You also said, assuming you haven't already (saved$$). 
The person asking is probably on his 1st Mac and all the PC buddies 
are telling him to dump it. That I would understand.. But saving 
money for a new Mac because your Apple Care runs out, that is just 
poor advice...Gives the impression of impending doom. Use it to the 
max, when you want a new computer go buy it. Chances are it will be 
passed down and still working just like my 1984 126k super computer.




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