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The one point I wanted to show was that you had said (or directly implied, I care not how you want to call it) that someone was a problem for wanting to continue to use their older computer.
I never said any such thing at all, or inferred, implied or hinted it. You are wildly misinterpreting what I actually wrote, but since you may not be the only one given to such flights of fancy, I'll rephrase:
Keep your computer for as long as it does what you need it to do, but it's silly to complain that after five years of service your computer can't keep up with the latest (evolving and changing) standards of the web.
That was the SUM TOTAL of my comment. See if you can pick a fight out of it now that I've dumbed it down for you.
I don't care who uses planned obsolescence, it's still unethical.
Then much of the man-made world is unethical by your standards. Maybe that reasoning is part of the appeal of the Amish lifestyle that is very attractive to some. (I am not suggesting that you should become an Amish, only that the Amish share your view that things that wear out/need upgrading are less desirable because of that quality.)
Personally, I don't feel that I am buying "the same thing" over and over -- I feel that I gain significant benefits apart from "keeping up with the new standards" when I upgrade my machines. When I "upgraded" my movies to from VHS to DVD, I gained benefits beyond simply the new format. Ditto when I "upgraded" my vinyl to CD.
I also don't care if you feel the need to upgrade your computer every 3-4 year- that's your right,
In my particular case, it's not a question of what I "feel" -- it's a question of ability. I need to upgrade my machine with a new model every few years because my needs change, or I find that I must stay current with the standards of my industry. Example: a friend of mine bought a G3 iBook that was perfect for her needs -- email, schoolwork, internet surfing. She was very happy with it -- until she decided that she'd like to work in video. Now her assignments need to be done on Final Cut Pro, and her G3 iBook is quite inadequate to the task in a number of ways. She will need to replace it with a more powerful machine after less than a year of ownership. Is this Apple's fault in some way?
When it comes to the web, Apple is not in charge of standards there, and as the internet continues to evolve, its standards will change and some will be discarded. Anyone who has been using technology for very long inherently understands that they run the risk that their preferred word-processor or Java version or browser security or video card will be bypassed and rendered obsolete by emerging standards in the future -- well most of us do anyway ...
and rest assured that there will always be many people who envy you for it, but upgrading your computer/ buying new gear to replace older/ buying new cars every couple years isn't adding to your assets, it's ncreasing your liabilies.
Not in my particular case, since I don't live in debt. When I buy something, I own it. :)
You are assuming that it's ok to constatly be paying money to own your assets. It's not.
So you're still wearing the clothes you wore as a child? They weren't rendered "obsolete" by your changing size or age or abuse? Do you blame the clothing manufacturers for not making clothes that adapt to your changes??
I'm sure you will disagree with me on this as well and will have another pointed response. be my guest; it's not worth my time.
I don't think we actually disagree so much as you've latched on to what is IMO a ridiculous premise: that computers should spontaneously evolve (or be psychically designed in advance) to meet all future needs so that one can keep them indefinitely. I have simply responded that I don't know of much of anything outside of nature that adheres to that premise.
I've not said nor ever advocated that everyone should dump their computers upon the instant of their fourth anniversary or sooner. I've simply said that evolving outside technology means that people *affected by that evolution* will need to replace their machines more often than those not so impacted. I've also said that it's foolish to complain about evolving technological standards, inasmuch as manufacturers, the media and many other outlets make every effort to inform consumers *in advance* that standards are going to change, and allow plenty of time for people to make the transition at their own pace.
People who use OS 9 and earlier are starting -- in a few specific ways -- to "butt up" against that wave of change that started almost ten years ago and became stunningly obvious almost four years ago. All I'm saying is that it's kind of silly for people with pre-G3 and/or pre-OS X equipment to complain now -- after at least four years of large, obvious writing on the wall -- that their investment is going obsolete. Apple has done IMHO more than enough to accommodate such folks to the extent that they can, but much of the change is simply out of their hands. Apple can't stop Sun from developing and implementing a Java that doesn't run on OS 8.6, for example. That's the point I was making.
_Chas_
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