Hi, now there's a flame.
declude works, I've been in the ISP biz for 7 years. until today that is ;-) what better place for saying what you think about a product but in the product's listserv? it's friday and I'm chillin....how bout you? Thanks, Andy Baldwin [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.thumpernet.com 315-282-0020 Friday, November 30, 2001, 4:12:38 PM, you wrote: RP> Also, since the product hasn't even been released yet, how can you sit and RP> pick apart the functionality of a product before it is released? RP> Seems to me that command line AV is resource intensive and that a service RP> based AV product would be much more efficient. Wouldn't all you fellow RP> "saavy" users agree? RP> And what do you mean have to run it on another server? I know you can do it RP> that way so that multiple servers can have their email's scanned (which is RP> really cool by the way) but I think you can also run it on the same server RP> as Imail. RP> All this just makes me wonder if you have something to gain with Declude, or RP> are just really cheap? You like cheap? I got one word for you - LINUX. Last RP> time I checked, they are way behind in the market share. Why? PEOPLE PAY FOR RP> GOOD PRODUCTS. RP> I believe in constructive criticism, not creating problems in a forum that RP> is supposed to be for tech support. Seems to me you aren't being creative - RP> just destructive, by creating dissent in a group of IMAIL users that need RP> tech support, not some naysayer flaming their product. Wanna flame? Go to RP> IRC. Want help? Post here. RP> ----- Original Message ----- RP> From: "Roger Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RP> To: "Rick Peacock" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> RP> Sent: Friday, November 30, 2001 2:55 PM RP> Subject: Re[4]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude >> Reply to: Rick Peacock >> Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Friday 12:18:56 RP> PM >> >> I've also been with Imail since version 3.x, so I have been here >> just as long. And I was asking for a trully integrated Imail >> antivirus solution for over three years, right in this forum. >> I got an opportunity to get SSL and a $1000 calendar and a few >> goodies when the single most important step Imail could have >> taken three years ago was add some kind of antivirus product. >> >> Three years, and the only one who helped me was Scott with Declude, >> not Ipswitch. We were planning on abandoning Imail until Scott >> came along. I wonder how many people kept Imail because of Scott? >> IMHO, Declude is much more elegant than setting up another separate >> server with more open ports using substantially more resources >> on the same machine) and 'double server processing' mail from one >> to the other. >> >> Beyond that, at least the way I do business, if I can make a >> product that works better without laying another whole product >> on top of mine at ten times the cost, well, I just think that's >> the way business should be done. I have always thought that if I >> can provide a more competitive product that is easier to run and >> is far more cost effetive for my customers, and more secure, >> that's the easy choice I should make from a marketing perspective. >> That's in the best interest of my customers. >> >> If I were a customer who understood all the benefits of each >> avenue or choice and you were asking me to purchase a product >> with half the features at ten times the price I'd have to question >> whether you were acting on my behalf. I'd also have to question >> if your objective was really 'to improve your product'. Right >> now I'd have to say no. >> >> -- >> Roger Heath >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> ----- Copy of Original Message(s): ----- >> >> R> Roger, >> >> R> You seem to think that charging more for a product to a customer who is >> R> "not-so-saavy" seems unfair? Let's take a look at the marketplace as a >> R> whole. I am sure that everyone on this list uses a product with lots of >> R> third-party add-ons - WINDOWS! So you think that by charging the money >> R> Symantec charges, when "saavy" people use the free McAfee scanner, RP> Symantec >> R> is out of line? Puh-lease! IPSwitch is just like any other company - >> R> striving to improve their product. >> >> R> So they didn't choose someone cheaper. If you're so smart in marketing, RP> then >> R> tell me this - who would you partner with? Someone with worldwide name >> R> recognition, or someone that almost no one in the business world has RP> ever >> R> heard of? Do you have any IDEA how many people buy NAV and even >> R> SUBSCRIPTIONS because of name recognition alone?! >> >> R> IPSwitch even told you that they SUPPORT 3RD PARTY SOLUTIONS! If you RP> don't >> R> like the IPSwitch solution, you, as a "saavy" user, can opt not to buy RP> the >> R> NAV module and use your other options instead. The reality is, if no RP> one >> R> buys the more expensive modules, then maybe they look at a more >> R> cost-effective solution. >> >> R> I've been with Imail for years (since version 3.0). They started out as RP> a >> R> small company with a fantastic product that was very modestly priced. RP> With >> R> improvements in the product, prices have risen. So what?! The product RP> out >> R> today(even WITH the AntiVirus module) is a hundred times better than RP> the >> R> original because that's the way it's supposed to be! As the product RP> evolves >> R> so does it's cost. Price is based on the VALUE of the product - not RP> what >> R> one small group of people think it should cost. If you don't like the >> R> price then vote with your wallet. So what if it costs more? IPSwitch is RP> not >> R> a charity - it's a BUSINESS. Businesses make money (oooh! What a RP> concept! A >> R> web business that makes money? How dare they!).You want cheap? Use some RP> of >> R> the FREEWARE mail servers and use this list for support, as it was >> R> intended - not as a way to take cheap shots at a company that doesn't RP> do >> R> EXACTLY what YOU think it should. >> >> R> Rick >> R> ----- Original Message ----- >> R> From: "Roger Heath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> R> To: "Bob McGregor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> R> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> R> Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 2:15 PM >> R> Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude >> >> >> >> Reply to: Bob McGregor >> >> Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday >> R> 12:53:53 PM >> >> >> >> Very well put. Even Mail Essentials is one-third the >> >> price with maybe 50-100 more features depending how >> >> you look at it and you can still use what ever command >> >> line scanner you want. But it will still not be as >> >> integrated and low in cost and efficient and unique >> >> to Imail as Declude. >> >> >> >> Taking advantage of 'not-so-savvy' customers to this degree >> >> is not a pretty picture of a company at all. >> >> >> >> BTW, I have received a private email from the CTO of >> >> Ipswitch that indicates they intend to continue to >> >> support apps like Declude and 3rd party development >> >> and not block them. I hope that is always the case. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Roger Heath >> >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Reply to: Don Weber >> >> Re: [IMail Forum] New IMail Anti-Virus ad Declude on Wednesday >> R> 12:08:00 PM >> >> >> >> B> you musta missed the last 2 weeks of this list, this has been round RP> and >> R> round a few >> >> B> times, and lots of users feel the >> >> >> >> Not really. I just received the formal announcement of >> >> Imail AntiVirus this morning. >> >> >> >> ----- Copy of Original Message(s): ----- >> >> >> >> B> Don Says: >> >> >> >> >>IPSwitch will most likely enjoy success making the big dollar sales RP> with >> >> >>the big dollar and big name oriented consumers or those who don't RP> take >> >> >>the time and get educated. >> >> >> >> B> This is true and they will get sales.... but imagine you're new to >> >> B> Imail and you purchase the Imail and AV stuff from them and then RP> find >> >> B> out about this list. >> >> >> >> B> You subscribe (like we all did) and then you find out there's a >> >> B> solution that is way less money AND the existing people (experts in >> >> B> your eyes) all highly tout it.... AND you find out it's been >> >> B> there longer! >> >> >> >> B> Would you not wonder why they just bent you over for thousands of >> R> bucks?? >> >> >> >> B> Major question is "Why does Ipswitch not value it's existing RP> customer >> >> B> base or it's 3rd party folks???" >> >> >> >> B> bob >> >> >> >> >> >> Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >> >> to be removed from this list. >> >> >> >> An Archive of this list is available at: >> >> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >> >> >> >> >> R> Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >> R> to be removed from this list. >> >> R> An Archive of this list is available at: >> R> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >> >> >> Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html >> to be removed from this list. >> >> An Archive of this list is available at: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/imail_forum%40list.ipswitch.com/ >> RP> Please visit http://www.ipswitch.com/support/mailing-lists.html RP> to be removed from this list. 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