Hi Len:

I apologize if I misguided you.

By that question I kind of meant that people do not read and don't do as
they are supposed to do.  We state for questions or comments please contact
[EMAIL PROTECTED] And do not respond to this email since this is a mailbox not
frequently checked.  Although it is checked constantly.

When I stated that we ask Confirmation@ to be whitelisted.. I also meant
that the clients we have receive a copy of the receipt from that email
address.  Since that email (confirmation@) is only used for receipts that
they want to get they may want to WhiteList it so it won't get blocked.
Again this is the organization that is notified they are getting a donation
or that someone has paid them.  It is a real-time notification to them.  Of
course they can always get a copy of that receipt in the management system
but that is besides the point.

The challenge response systems work based on having an email sent to the
server in response to a confirmation email.  Our confirmation email is sent
automatically.  Since we should not (?) get any email in that account an
idea that is being discussed for combating this problem is setting up IMail
to send a response (automatically) if anyone sends email to that address.
That response can be:

*******Auto Reply ***********

=========
Thank you for contacting ClickandPledge.com, please send your questions to
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
=========

Original message goes here

***************************

Now if we can set it so IMail sends the AutoReply as a reply to the original
email with the above text on top this will solve two problems:

1:  The person trying to contact us will get a faster response if they
contact Support
2:  If it is a challenge response the issue is resolved since the original
email follows the above line.

Again .. I have no idea how we can solve this without writing a separate
program to intercept that account's email.  I am asking for ideas and if
this can be done with the current IMail design.

Of course one idea would be to setup a bounce message using Declude JM.

Regards,
Kami


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Len Conrad
Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2003 12:32 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re[2]: [IMail Forum] Automatic Reply- confirmation



>What made you think that Kami doesn't accept <> senders?

What made you think I think that?

>He's  referring to the inane challenge/response "confirmation" version 
>of  sender  address  verification and the havoc it wreaks on automated 
>systems. He's not referring to envelope-only verification.

but his "are not supposed (?) to send any emails to it" could have 
indicated that the sender address doesn't accept bounces either  (as well 
as not being able to participate in challenge/response sessions) which 
gives him problems with IMGate/posfix-type sender_address_verification

>Knowing  this

you know what you know, I know what I  know, stop pretending that you know 
what I know.

>,  I  expect  you'll  understand  that Kami should not be attacked

I can answer any email in this forum in any style I please.

>but  defended for having to deal with (as so many have) the flaws of 
>such a system.

If Kami confirm his sender address, refuses bounces, the basic flaw IS with 
his system.

Len

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