Actually - I saw you were using MIT - wouldn't that just cover software?
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On 12/02/2013 08:10 PM, Ian Dees wrote:
To get around this, I've had good luck suggesting that they use the
MIT License. The GIS departments I've talked to have expressed concern
about limiting liability while still being as open as they can be. MIT
is pretty close to what they already have for liability waiver, so
they feel pretty comfortable about using it.
On Mon, Dec 2, 2013 at 7:00 PM, Toby Murray <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Sadly, I think some of us know more about data licensing than a
lot of government attorneys. I also got a "yeah, we consider it
public domain" email from the Kansas Department of Transportation
regarding the county/city maps they have on their website. I think
in some situations that's as good as we are going to get.
Toby
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 10:29 PM, Paul Norman <[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Going from the general issues with PD back to the specific
case here, I'd suggest that they provide a statement that the
data is public domain and has no restrictions placed on it.
When a government goes on record as saying that a particular
dataset is public domain, we generally have taken them at
their word, as they're the ones best positioned to understand
their specific legal situation. For an individual, I'd be more
reluctant and want something like CC0, or for jurisdictions
with database rights, PDDL.
As Richard commented, we really need to see some sample data
to spot problems. Could you upload a sample .osm file
somewhere (web host, dropbox, etc)?
*From:*Serge Wroclawski [mailto:[email protected]
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*Sent:* Sunday, December 01, 2013 3:47 PM
*To:* Randal Hale
*Cc:* Imports US
*Subject:* Re: [Imports-us] Union County Georgia Building
Footprints
On Sun, Dec 1, 2013 at 11:34 PM, Randal Hale
<[email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
If we are drinking beer there is no way I'm talking about
licensing of data.
So help me out here - I'm looking at Creative commons and
I see 6 licenses - I assume you are talking about CC-By.
Originally OSM was CCbySA correct?
I'm talking about CC0:
http://wiki.creativecommons.org/CC0_use_for_data
As Jason points out, you can use a public domain declaration
instead, since there aren't jurisdiction issues to worry about.
> I think it would help if someone had a list of licenses up
that blend well with ODBL - in my line of work security
> is the big thing (i.e. don't let anyone else see this) -
licensing not so much.
This is a non-trivial task that requires lawyers to be
definitive. The Open Source Initiative and the Free Software
Foundation both put in effort in this area for software, and I
can tell you that it's a ton of work. The problem is that
government agencies typically don't just want to use a
standard license (such as CC0), they want to make their own,
or they will say things "This work is in the public domain,
but you must attribute us."- which is legally impossible,
since Public Domain has no restrictions whatsoever- so once
you add any restrictions, it's no longer public domain.
The solution to this is to use a very liberal, standard
license like CC0.
> If they licensed this ODBL and I stuck into OSM would that
be like dividing by 0?
The issue of license compatibility from external data sources
is tricky. For example, for data that was under CC-BY-SA (the
previous OSM license), some of it had to be removed from OSM
because when OSM moved to ODbL, the CC-BY-SA data couldn't go
along with it. The current license we use is OdBL 1.0, but it
is conceivable that in 10 years, a new license would be
better. The Contributor Terms say that when you contribute to
OSM, you are saying that you have ownership of the data, or at
least have the rights to use the data in OSM, but if the data
has a very specific license which cannot be modified, then
problems can arise.
If you have questions about these issues, the right place for
them is the License Working Group, which has access to attorneys.
- Serge
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