The confusion is justified, as both S. anguivi and S. violaceum have S. indicum as snonym in one form or another, obviously not very different species. Perhaps any recent book which lists both can give a better and conclusive key.
Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:32 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Good morning Sir > > I have read and re-read FoC description of *S. violaceum* Ortega many > times. Herbarium of *S. violaceum* clearly shows prickles - > > - > > https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/123-solanum-violaceum.jpg > - > > https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/3477-solanum-violaceum.jpg > - source of above - > https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/ > > But, ENVIS has purple flowered *S. anguivi* Lam. > http://envis.frlht.org/trade_search.php?txtpart=-&lst_part=-&txttrade=BANAFSHA&lst_trade=KATHELI-BADHI > and > a herbarium - http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=1938 (source > http://envis.frlht.org/digital_herbarium.php?PageNo=6&StartWith=S) > > This is confusing, for earlier I thought my plant was closer to *S. > anguivi* Lam. of FoP > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625>., > even though it doesn't have many flowered racemes. But at the same time my > plant neither have 'scorpioid raceme' (?) of *S. violaceum* of FoC. > Of-course 'Prota.org' have different version > <http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB~1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay> > of > *Solanum anguivi*. > > Thank you > > Regards > ! > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I looks both synonyms given by GRIN have problem. S. violaceum clearly >> has curved prickles as indicated in both description of Flora of China >> >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3450&flora_id=2 >> >> Important also that it includes some specimens originally included under >> S. indicum in earlier Floras. >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> >> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Sir, >>> >>> Also found photo >>> <http://www.pharmacy.mahidol.ac.th/siri/index.php?page=gallery_all> and >>> illustration >>> <http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=162818> >>> of *Solanum sanitwongsei* Craib >>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?438920#syn>. >>> >>> Thank you >>> >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:04 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Sir, >>>> >>>> Found herbarium of *Solanum kurzii* - >>>> >>>> 1. from India - >>>> http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049959.jpg (source : >>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049959) >>>> 2. Thailand - >>>> http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049957.jpg (source >>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049957) >>>> 3. do - http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049958.jpg >>>> (source >>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049958) >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I think I must have followed GRIN in putting S. kurzii as synonym >>>>> after constructing the key. Perhaps original description of S. kurzii >>>>> should help. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:36 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good morning Sir >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you for the updated KEY. Interestingly GRIN thinks *Solanum >>>>>> kurzii* Brace ex Prain >>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?457893> is >>>>>> synonym of *Solanum violaceum* Ortega. >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Surajit ji >>>>>>> Stem in S. violaceum has curved prickles as per our regular key on >>>>>>> the website. I can't now figure out how I added S. kurzii as synonym of >>>>>>> S. >>>>>>> violaceum. I have removed that now. But then S. kurzii is an East >>>>>>> Himalayan >>>>>>> species, fruits uploaded by Ritesh ji once as Tita Baingun. Perhaps you >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> explore it further. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20kurzii/indiantreepix/YaHs79rDnIA/Vwy2pP08ULoJ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> KEY to Solanum in eFI informs *S. violaceum* Ortega is an unarmed >>>>>>>> shrub : *15a > 16b > 19b > 20b !!!* This goes against the thread - >>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ, >>>>>>>> both on 'arm' and 'flower size'. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Attached here sub-reniform, foveolate seeds of this plant. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning Sir, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This plant is not *Solanum anguivi* Lam. as per Flora of Zimbabwe >>>>>>>>> and your post & discussion at - >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ >>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/hWiljeLiSJ4J >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Also some semi-domesticated form at - >>>>>>>>> http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/new/Sorting/CATALOGUE/Pt1-African-eggplants.html#Solanum-anguivi >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Surajit ji >>>>>>>>>> These threads should help >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20indicum$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/hWiljeLiSJ4J >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20indicum$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I must have missed some characters. I need to refresh my solanum >>>>>>>>>>> collection. I will upload more species later. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FoP >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625> >>>>>>>>>>> must have updated their site after your key in - >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/ewa6R-1k_-YJ >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> FoC >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020612> >>>>>>>>>>> has *S. violaceum* Ortega - with shiny orange berry, which is >>>>>>>>>>> similar to *S. anguivi* Lam. of FoZ >>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/image-display.php?species_id=150600&image_id=4> >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Flora indica, vol1, p570 informs - >>>>>>>>>>> *S. indicum* Willd. sp. i. 1042 (i don't know it's meaning) - >>>>>>>>>>> berries erect, round. smooth.... while immature variegated with >>>>>>>>>>> deeper and >>>>>>>>>>> lighter green, when ripe with deep orange yellow. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>> suraji >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This should be S. violaceum >>>>>>>>>>>> S. anguivi has mostly white flowers, less than 12 mm across, in >>>>>>>>>>>> many-flowered raceme like cymes. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:36 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bengali name (for *S. indicum* L. >>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=129865> >>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bengal Plants, F. B. I. & F. I.) = BYAKUR / BYAKOOR (ব্যাকুর), >>>>>>>>>>>>> provided >>>>>>>>>>>>> the ID is correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> for *S. indicum* L. - >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/N5lZMfghhQI/M7abCu3EZxkJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29600269 >>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?316358 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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