Yes Sir, I have noted our group site posts. I was thinking what could be Ritesh Ji's plant <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/YaHs79rDnIA/Vwy2pP08ULoJ>, which looks somewhat like http://www.ethno-botanik.org/Nutzpflanzen/Solanum_aethiopicum/Afrikanische_Aubergine_Solanum_aethiopicum.html, impossible though!
Thank you very much. Regards On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Surajit ji, the plant identified as S. verbascifolium in Indian works > is S. erianthum D. Don, as clarified in several threads of of efloraofindia > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 9:20 AM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you Sir. >> *Solanum erianthum* D. Don (*S. verbascifolium* non L. >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200020583>) >> is another species which was entered, in Hooker, Prain and Haines as *S. >> verbascifolium* L. But, *S. verbascifolium* L. is regarded as *S. >> donianum* Walp., by GRIN >> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?101455> and FoC >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020583>. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 10:32 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> The confusion is justified, as both S. anguivi and S. violaceum have S. >>> indicum as snonym in one form or another, obviously not very different >>> species. Perhaps any recent book which lists both can give a better and >>> conclusive key. >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> >>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 7:32 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Good morning Sir >>>> >>>> I have read and re-read FoC description of *S. violaceum* Ortega many >>>> times. Herbarium of *S. violaceum* clearly shows prickles - >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/123-solanum-violaceum.jpg >>>> - >>>> >>>> https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/3477-solanum-violaceum.jpg >>>> - source of above - >>>> https://herbarium-images.googlecode.com/hg/specimen-represent-scans/ >>>> >>>> But, ENVIS has purple flowered *S. anguivi* Lam. >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/trade_search.php?txtpart=-&lst_part=-&txttrade=BANAFSHA&lst_trade=KATHELI-BADHI >>>> and >>>> a herbarium - http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=1938 (source >>>> http://envis.frlht.org/digital_herbarium.php?PageNo=6&StartWith=S) >>>> >>>> This is confusing, for earlier I thought my plant was closer to *S. >>>> anguivi* Lam. of FoP >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625>., >>>> even though it doesn't have many flowered racemes. But at the same time my >>>> plant neither have 'scorpioid raceme' (?) of *S. violaceum* of FoC. >>>> Of-course 'Prota.org' have different version >>>> <http://database.prota.org/dbtw-wpd/exec/dbtwpub.dll?AC=QBE_QUERY&BU=http://database.prota.org/search.htm&TN=PROTAB~1&QB0=AND&QF0=Species+Code&QI0=Solanum+anguivi&RF=Webdisplay> >>>> of >>>> *Solanum anguivi*. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> >>>> Regards >>>> ! >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, Jul 23, 2014 at 1:38 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I looks both synonyms given by GRIN have problem. S. violaceum clearly >>>>> has curved prickles as indicated in both description of Flora of China >>>>> >>>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3450&flora_id=2 >>>>> >>>>> Important also that it includes some specimens originally included >>>>> under S. indicum in earlier Floras. >>>>> >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:50 AM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Sir, >>>>>> >>>>>> Also found photo >>>>>> <http://www.pharmacy.mahidol.ac.th/siri/index.php?page=gallery_all> >>>>>> and illustration >>>>>> <http://www.plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=162818> >>>>>> of *Solanum sanitwongsei* Craib >>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?438920#syn>. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 10:04 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Found herbarium of *Solanum kurzii* - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> 1. from India - >>>>>>> http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049959.jpg (source >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049959 >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> 2. Thailand - >>>>>>> http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049957.jpg (source >>>>>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049957 >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> 3. do - http://sonneratphoto.mnhn.fr/2012/02/17/4/P00049958.jpg >>>>>>> (source >>>>>>> http://science.mnhn.fr/institution/mnhn/collection/p/item/p00049958 >>>>>>> ) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] >>>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think I must have followed GRIN in putting S. kurzii as synonym >>>>>>>> after constructing the key. Perhaps original description of S. kurzii >>>>>>>> should help. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 7:36 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Good morning Sir >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you for the updated KEY. Interestingly GRIN thinks *Solanum >>>>>>>>> kurzii* Brace ex Prain >>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?457893> is >>>>>>>>> synonym of *Solanum violaceum* Ortega. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jul 22, 2014 at 4:36 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Surajit ji >>>>>>>>>> Stem in S. violaceum has curved prickles as per our regular key >>>>>>>>>> on the website. I can't now figure out how I added S. kurzii as >>>>>>>>>> synonym of >>>>>>>>>> S. violaceum. I have removed that now. But then S. kurzii is an East >>>>>>>>>> Himalayan species, fruits uploaded by Ritesh ji once as Tita Baingun. >>>>>>>>>> Perhaps you can explore it further. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20kurzii/indiantreepix/YaHs79rDnIA/Vwy2pP08ULoJ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jul 20, 2014 at 10:08 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> KEY to Solanum in eFI informs *S. violaceum* Ortega is an >>>>>>>>>>> unarmed shrub : *15a > 16b > 19b > 20b !!!* This goes against >>>>>>>>>>> the thread - >>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ, >>>>>>>>>>> both on 'arm' and 'flower size'. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Attached here sub-reniform, foveolate seeds of this plant. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 8:00 AM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Good morning Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> This plant is not *Solanum anguivi* Lam. as per Flora of >>>>>>>>>>>> Zimbabwe and your post & discussion at - >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ >>>>>>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/hWiljeLiSJ4J >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Also some semi-domesticated form at - >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.plantnames.unimelb.edu.au/new/Sorting/CATALOGUE/Pt1-African-eggplants.html#Solanum-anguivi >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 7:19 AM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Surajit ji >>>>>>>>>>>>> These threads should help >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20indicum$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/hWiljeLiSJ4J >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!searchin/indiantreepix/Solanum$20indicum$20Gurcharan/indiantreepix/dSZcm0MK01c/p_liC6fnl4YJ >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 11:11 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Sir, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> I must have missed some characters. I need to refresh my >>>>>>>>>>>>>> solanum collection. I will upload more species later. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoP >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> must have updated their site after your key in - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/7070VSdNpTs/ewa6R-1k_-YJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> FoC >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020612> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> has *S. violaceum* Ortega - with shiny orange berry, which >>>>>>>>>>>>>> is similar to *S. anguivi* Lam. of FoZ >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/image-display.php?species_id=150600&image_id=4> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Flora indica, vol1, p570 informs - >>>>>>>>>>>>>> *S. indicum* Willd. sp. i. 1042 (i don't know it's meaning) >>>>>>>>>>>>>> - berries erect, round. smooth.... while immature variegated >>>>>>>>>>>>>> with deeper >>>>>>>>>>>>>> and lighter green, when ripe with deep orange yellow. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>>>>>>> suraji >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Gurcharan Singh < >>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This should be S. violaceum >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> S. anguivi has mostly white flowers, less than 12 mm across, >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> in many-flowered raceme like cymes. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 10:36 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Bengali name (for *S. indicum* L. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <http://plantillustrations.org/illustration.php?id_illustration=129865> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of Bengal Plants, F. B. I. & F. I.) = BYAKUR / BYAKOOR >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> (ব্যাকুর), provided >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the ID is correct. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for *S. indicum* L. - >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 1. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/N5lZMfghhQI/M7abCu3EZxkJ >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2. http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/tro-29600269 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 3. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?316358 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> from it, send an email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix?hl=en. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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