Sir, I am getting more confused. Satish Ji's plant is armed https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8 and it looks close to the photographs of FoZ <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=150600>.
Should we discard your earlier KEY - flowers mostly white with purple veins = *S. anguivi*? Do I take the plant, *S. anguivi* of Pakistan Flora <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625> as *S. violaceum*? To differentiate between *violaceum* and *anguivi* - flower size (20mm against 6-12mm) can be taken as a KEY, fruit is difficult (10mm against 8-18mm), but how do we know the size if it is not mentioned? Thank you Regards On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Surajit ji > Please read the comments on Satish ji's post. It is not armed at all. > Regarding Flora of Pakistan, I somehow have lost confidence seeing so many > mistakes. Moreover, the Indian Solanum indicum seems to be segregated into > three species S. lasiocarpum, S. violaceum and S. anguivi, Flora of > Pakistan is silent on S. violaceum.as well as S. lasiocarpum, let us add > S. incanum to the discussion. > > Flowers in S. aguivi may be mauve, purple to white in up to 20-flowered > bunches, distinctly star shaped, fruits in bunches; flower 6-12 across; > fruits 8-18 mm across, turning orange to red when ripe > > S. lasiocarpum has densely hirsute, straight prickles, infl. few flowered, > flowers 2 cm across, purple to white, calyx enlarged in fruit; young fruit > densely hairy, orange and 2 cm across when ripe. > > S. violaceum: Plants with fine hairs; prickles on stem short, broad based; > leaves with straight prickles on leaves along veins, flowers up to 12; > corolla blue purple sometimes white, 2 cm across; fruit orange, 1 cm across. > > S. incanum: though looking similar to S. violaceum, but flowers always > blue-purple, only one flower bisexual, as such one fruit per infl; flower; > corolla 3-3.5 cm across; berry 25-30 mm across, yellow > > Looking at all above I also go with S. anguivi > > > > > > > > > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:35 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> I am very much interested to know. Because, earlier I argued a lot with >> Gurcharan Sir regarding a similar looking species i posted >> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/mLk33P4a6EI>. >> And i used a scale. >> >> I argued a lot with Gurcharan Sir, but I think the the flower character. >> as mentioned by Sir, can be taken as an identifying feature, as can be seen >> in a site dealing with solanaceae - >> >> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/110380/media >> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/105603/media >> >> But I have a question, to know some technical detail about inflorescence. >> I request Gurcharan Sir to make it easy for me - >> >> 1. In the description of *S. violaceum* FoC says the inflorescence is >> "scorpioid raceme" and provides illustration at >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3450&flora_id=2 where >> flowers are arranged alternately on the two sides of the main axis >> 2. In the description of *S. anguivi* FoP doesn't give inflo type, >> but provides illustration >> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 which >> can be seen in Satish Ji's post >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8, >> where flowers are arranged in one side (secund) of the main axis ..... >> what >> does this type of inflorescence called? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:45 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>> >>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>> I think it is S. violaceum Ortega (syn: *Solanum kurzii* Brace >>> ex Prain). In S. anguivi flowers are white with often purple veins outside, >>> fruit red when mature. >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> >>> These two species are very closely related, only minor differences >>> exist. Let me provide those differences after referring regional floras. >>> The images uploaded by you seems Solanum incanum, an African species. I >>> also come across the same, roadside from out skirt of Bangalore. >>> Regards >>> Dr. Santhan P >>> >>> I think this plant is different from *Solanum violaeum Orteg.* in >>> many-flowered axillary cymes *vs* solitary or few flowers, also the >>> fruits are shining berries, smaller in size, without much enlarged, prickly >>> calyx.. >>> >>> However, an authentic version of distinct features from regional floras >>> is awaited, Santhan Ji has assured to provide.. >>> >>> Regards, >>> Dr. Nidhan Singh >>> >>> efi page on Solanum violaceum >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-violaceum> >>> & >>> Solanum anguivi >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-anguivi> >>> >>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>> From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <[email protected]> >>> Date: 25 October 2014 at 13:06 >>> Subject: [efloraofindia:204289] Solanum anguivi Lam SN Oct 30 >>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>> >>> >>> *Solanum anguivi Lam* (= Solanum indicum var. lividum (Link) Bitter) , >>> wild herb from the hilly areas of Krishnagiri dt. 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