Have a nice Sunday. Is this Solanum torvum ?
r.thilakan. On Friday, November 28, 2014 10:21:56 PM UTC+5:30, surajitkoley wrote: > > Sir, > > I am getting more confused. Satish Ji's plant is armed > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8 and it > looks close to the photographs of FoZ > <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=150600> > . > > Should we discard your earlier KEY - flowers mostly white with purple > veins = *S. anguivi*? > > Do I take the plant, *S. anguivi* of Pakistan Flora > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625> as *S. > violaceum*? > > To differentiate between *violaceum* and *anguivi* - flower size (20mm > against 6-12mm) can be taken as a KEY, fruit is difficult (10mm against > 8-18mm), but how do we know the size if it is not mentioned? > > Thank you > Regards > > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected] > <javascript:>> wrote: > >> Surajit ji >> Please read the comments on Satish ji's post. It is not armed at all. >> Regarding Flora of Pakistan, I somehow have lost confidence seeing so >> many mistakes. Moreover, the Indian Solanum indicum seems to be segregated >> into three species S. lasiocarpum, S. violaceum and S. anguivi, Flora of >> Pakistan is silent on S. violaceum.as well as S. lasiocarpum, let us add >> S. incanum to the discussion. >> >> Flowers in S. aguivi may be mauve, purple to white in up to 20-flowered >> bunches, distinctly star shaped, fruits in bunches; flower 6-12 across; >> fruits 8-18 mm across, turning orange to red when ripe >> >> S. lasiocarpum has densely hirsute, straight prickles, infl. few >> flowered, flowers 2 cm across, purple to white, calyx enlarged in fruit; >> young fruit densely hairy, orange and 2 cm across when ripe. >> >> S. violaceum: Plants with fine hairs; prickles on stem short, broad >> based; leaves with straight prickles on leaves along veins, flowers up to >> 12; corolla blue purple sometimes white, 2 cm across; fruit orange, 1 cm >> across. >> >> S. incanum: though looking similar to S. violaceum, but flowers always >> blue-purple, only one flower bisexual, as such one fruit per infl; flower; >> corolla 3-3.5 cm across; berry 25-30 mm across, yellow >> >> Looking at all above I also go with S. anguivi >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> Retired Associate Professor >> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:35 PM, surajit koley <[email protected] >> <javascript:>> wrote: >> >>> I am very much interested to know. Because, earlier I argued a lot with >>> Gurcharan Sir regarding a similar looking species i posted >>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/mLk33P4a6EI>. >>> >>> And i used a scale. >>> >>> I argued a lot with Gurcharan Sir, but I think the the flower character. >>> as mentioned by Sir, can be taken as an identifying feature, as can be seen >>> in a site dealing with solanaceae - >>> >>> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/110380/media >>> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/105603/media >>> >>> But I have a question, to know some technical detail about >>> inflorescence. I request Gurcharan Sir to make it easy for me - >>> >>> 1. In the description of *S. violaceum* FoC says the inflorescence >>> is "scorpioid raceme" and provides illustration at >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3450&flora_id=2 where >>> flowers are arranged alternately on the two sides of the main axis >>> 2. In the description of *S. anguivi* FoP doesn't give inflo type, >>> but provides illustration >>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 which >>> can be seen in Satish Ji's post >>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8, >>> where flowers are arranged in one side (secund) of the main axis ..... >>> what >>> does this type of inflorescence called? >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:45 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected] >>> <javascript:>> wrote: >>> >>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>> >>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>> I think it is S. violaceum Ortega (syn: *Solanum kurzii* Brace >>>> ex Prain). In S. anguivi flowers are white with often purple veins >>>> outside, >>>> fruit red when mature. >>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>> >>>> These two species are very closely related, only minor differences >>>> exist. Let me provide those differences after referring regional floras. >>>> The images uploaded by you seems Solanum incanum, an African species. I >>>> also come across the same, roadside from out skirt of Bangalore. >>>> Regards >>>> Dr. Santhan P >>>> >>>> I think this plant is different from *Solanum violaeum Orteg.* in >>>> many-flowered axillary cymes *vs* solitary or few flowers, also the >>>> fruits are shining berries, smaller in size, without much enlarged, >>>> prickly >>>> calyx.. >>>> >>>> However, an authentic version of distinct features from regional floras >>>> is awaited, Santhan Ji has assured to provide.. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Dr. Nidhan Singh >>>> >>>> efi page on Solanum violaceum >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-violaceum> >>>> & >>>> Solanum anguivi >>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-anguivi> >>>> >>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>> From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>> Date: 25 October 2014 at 13:06 >>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:204289] Solanum anguivi Lam SN Oct 30 >>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected] <javascript:>> >>>> >>>> >>>> *Solanum anguivi Lam* (= Solanum indicum var. lividum (Link) Bitter) , >>>> wild herb from the hilly areas of Krishnagiri dt. 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