Thank you very much Santhan Ji. But, I think neither flower size nor fruit size would help in differentiating the two concerned species - *anguivi* and *violaceum*.
1. *Solanum violaceum* Ortega : as per FoC <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200020612> -> flower = 10-12mm X 10-20mm; fruit = 8-13mm 2. *Solanum anguivi* Lam. : as per 1) KEW <http://apps.kew.org/efloras/namedetail.do;jsessionid=F110F2F64C14AD3D288C251D4B525BAA?qry=namelist&flora=fz&taxon=11437&nameid=28993>, 2) FoZ <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=150600> and 3) a book <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=6jrlyOPfr24C&pg=PA482&lpg=PA482&dq=solanum+anguivi&source=bl&ots=DqxknQOq1_&sig=alJ-abnzw6N51ke1mZqqygEcO4U&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ruN5VKiqMcaTuAShyIDgBg&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAzgU#v=onepage&q=solanum%20anguivi&f=false> -> flower = 8-20mm across (KEW) or 6-12mm (book); fruit = 6-13mm (FoZ, KEW) or 7-18mm (book) Thank you once again Regards On Sat, Nov 29, 2014 at 9:24 AM, Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan < ponsant...@gmail.com> wrote: > In my specimen the fruit is less than 1cm only > > On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:21 PM, surajit koley < > surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Sir, >> >> I am getting more confused. Satish Ji's plant is armed >> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8 and it >> looks close to the photographs of FoZ >> <http://www.zimbabweflora.co.zw/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=150600> >> . >> >> Should we discard your earlier KEY - flowers mostly white with purple >> veins = *S. anguivi*? >> >> Do I take the plant, *S. anguivi* of Pakistan Flora >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=242425625> >> as *S. violaceum*? >> >> To differentiate between *violaceum* and *anguivi* - flower size (20mm >> against 6-12mm) can be taken as a KEY, fruit is difficult (10mm against >> 8-18mm), but how do we know the size if it is not mentioned? >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> >> >> On Fri, Nov 28, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Gurcharan Singh <singh...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Surajit ji >>> Please read the comments on Satish ji's post. It is not armed at all. >>> Regarding Flora of Pakistan, I somehow have lost confidence seeing so >>> many mistakes. Moreover, the Indian Solanum indicum seems to be segregated >>> into three species S. lasiocarpum, S. violaceum and S. anguivi, Flora of >>> Pakistan is silent on S. violaceum.as well as S. lasiocarpum, let us >>> add S. incanum to the discussion. >>> >>> Flowers in S. aguivi may be mauve, purple to white in up to 20-flowered >>> bunches, distinctly star shaped, fruits in bunches; flower 6-12 across; >>> fruits 8-18 mm across, turning orange to red when ripe >>> >>> S. lasiocarpum has densely hirsute, straight prickles, infl. few >>> flowered, flowers 2 cm across, purple to white, calyx enlarged in fruit; >>> young fruit densely hairy, orange and 2 cm across when ripe. >>> >>> S. violaceum: Plants with fine hairs; prickles on stem short, broad >>> based; leaves with straight prickles on leaves along veins, flowers up to >>> 12; corolla blue purple sometimes white, 2 cm across; fruit orange, 1 cm >>> across. >>> >>> S. incanum: though looking similar to S. violaceum, but flowers always >>> blue-purple, only one flower bisexual, as such one fruit per infl; flower; >>> corolla 3-3.5 cm across; berry 25-30 mm across, yellow >>> >>> Looking at all above I also go with S. anguivi >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> Retired Associate Professor >>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> >>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 10:35 PM, surajit koley < >>> surajitnotavaila...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> I am very much interested to know. Because, earlier I argued a lot with >>>> Gurcharan Sir regarding a similar looking species i posted >>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/mLk33P4a6EI>. >>>> And i used a scale. >>>> >>>> I argued a lot with Gurcharan Sir, but I think the the flower >>>> character. as mentioned by Sir, can be taken as an identifying feature, as >>>> can be seen in a site dealing with solanaceae - >>>> >>>> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/110380/media >>>> - http://solanaceaesource.org/taxonomy/term/105603/media >>>> >>>> But I have a question, to know some technical detail about >>>> inflorescence. I request Gurcharan Sir to make it easy for me - >>>> >>>> 1. In the description of *S. violaceum* FoC says the inflorescence >>>> is "scorpioid raceme" and provides illustration at >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=3450&flora_id=2 where >>>> flowers are arranged alternately on the two sides of the main axis >>>> 2. In the description of *S. anguivi* FoP doesn't give inflo type, >>>> but provides illustration >>>> http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86826&flora_id=5 which >>>> can be seen in Satish Ji's post >>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/jH-HkA3GjW8, >>>> where flowers are arranged in one side (secund) of the main axis ..... >>>> what >>>> does this type of inflorescence called? >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Nov 27, 2014 at 12:45 PM, J.M. Garg <jmga...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> I think it is S. violaceum Ortega (syn: *Solanum kurzii* Brace >>>>> ex Prain). In S. anguivi flowers are white with often purple veins >>>>> outside, >>>>> fruit red when mature. >>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>> >>>>> These two species are very closely related, only minor differences >>>>> exist. Let me provide those differences after referring regional floras. >>>>> The images uploaded by you seems Solanum incanum, an African species. >>>>> I also come across the same, roadside from out skirt of Bangalore. >>>>> Regards >>>>> Dr. Santhan P >>>>> >>>>> I think this plant is different from *Solanum violaeum Orteg.* in >>>>> many-flowered axillary cymes *vs* solitary or few flowers, also the >>>>> fruits are shining berries, smaller in size, without much enlarged, >>>>> prickly >>>>> calyx.. >>>>> >>>>> However, an authentic version of distinct features from regional >>>>> floras is awaited, Santhan Ji has assured to provide.. >>>>> >>>>> Regards, >>>>> Dr. Nidhan Singh >>>>> >>>>> efi page on Solanum violaceum >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-violaceum> >>>>> & >>>>> Solanum anguivi >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/s/solanaceae/solanum/solanum-anguivi> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Ponnutheerthagiri Santhan <ponsant...@gmail.com> >>>>> Date: 25 October 2014 at 13:06 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:204289] Solanum anguivi Lam SN Oct 30 >>>>> To: efloraofindia <indiantreepix@googlegroups.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> *Solanum anguivi Lam* (= Solanum indicum var. lividum (Link) Bitter) >>>>> , wild herb from the hilly areas of Krishnagiri dt. 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