Thank you very much Anurag Ji, I can see 23 clear mericarps in that pic. It means *A. indicum* (L.) Sweet can have more than 20 mericarps!
But, it doesn't mean that your species is *A. indicum*. Because, there are differences. One is hair on seed. Second is the tip/beak of mericarp is not that curved and pointed as in usual *A. indicum*. So, your species may be some other. But, not *A hirtum* or *A. pannosum* I think. Surprisingly, we do not have records of *Abutilon bidentatum* Hochst. ex A. Rich. in our database. FoP has description <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071390>, FBI very little. Can you retrieve more from somewhere? Thank you Regards surajit On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote: > The number of mericarps in that photo seem to be just over 20, as in mine > sir. > Thank you. > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:14 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Anurag Ji, >> >> I request you to count the number of mericarps in Dinesh Ji's photograph >> https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/6257781510 in the thread >> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/1E9XV3RBkZI/LdC_s8ZY-0oJ. >> I think the species in that thread is *A. indicum*. >> >> I am sad that my knowledge is so little. >> >> Thank you >> Regards >> surajit >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much sir, I too had the doubt about the hair at the hilum. >>> If only there was a definitive key that bore absolutely no ambiguity. >>> >>> I will take this as Abutilon indicum. >>> >>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:59 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> One my request, concerning *Abutilon* in another thread >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/7XzMvXm-4B4J>, >>>> has not been addressed yet, leave aside met, yet I have received this mail, >>>> perhaps to express my view on it, view of a minnow, Huh! >>>> >>>> I agree with Dinesh Ji's view. I do not think it is or the one in >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/wzOrPt8dSyA/1h3CqyUe0xUJ is >>>> *Abutilon pannosum*. >>>> >>>> I also do not think this is *Abutilon hirtum*. >>>> >>>> Except the hairs at hilum, which I fail to explain for want of >>>> literature, I think it is probably *Abutilon indicum* G. Don, where number >>>> of carpels can be 20 or more >>>> <http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/731298#page/224/mode/1up>. Yes, I >>>> read that FoP records, in *A. hirtum*, seed with minute shinning >>>> stellate hairs, more so at hilum. At the same time FoC records seeds in *A. >>>> indicum* are sparsely stellate. >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>> >>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>> >>>>> Anurag, this will not be A. pannosum, and not A.hirtum too. >>>>> The links you provided yesterday were helpful to know about pannosum & >>>>> hirtum. >>>>> Putting them here for quick reference: >>>>> *Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG> >>>>> | description >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg> >>>>> | picture >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg> >>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG> >>>>> | description >>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg> >>>>> To me your posted plant is *A. indicum*. >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> The number of mericarps (25+) and their acute tips, and emarginate >>>>> petals are pointing to *Abutilon hirtum*. The indumentum is supposed >>>>> to have viscid hairs, please check. >>>>> Vijay >>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>> Here is a close up of the stem. Would you say there are viscid hair or >>>>> only dense simple hair? >>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>> Thanks Anurag, it looks like viscid but I cannot tell for sure from >>>>> the picture. When viscid glandular hairs present, it will be 'sticky' to >>>>> touch. >>>>> Vijay >>>>> It was clicked a long time back and the stem close up is something I >>>>> failed to click at the time! >>>>> If not A. hirtum, what else could it be sir? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>> >>>>> nice pictures esp number 8 >>>>> that makes it seem that it may have been sticky... >>>>> like some fruits of some basil do and some plectranthus do... that >>>>> slight dewy smallest "droplets" and they will also collect dirt.. >>>>> >>>>> usha di >>>>> >>>>> Most likely Abutilon indicum.- from Chauhan ji >>>>> >>>>> efi pages on Abutilon indicum >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-indicum> >>>>> & >>>>> Abutilon hirtum >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-hirtum> >>>>> >>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>> Date: 27 February 2015 at 00:16 >>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216971] ANFEB39 Abutilon pannosum (please >>>>> validate) >>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Family: Malvaceae >>>>> Date: November 2014 >>>>> Place: Bangalore Rural >>>>> Reference: >>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>> etc. >>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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