I will check that link sir. Thank you. Maybe one day when this forum is with enough thoroughly validated links, we could come up with a key based on the photos available right here.
On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 9:53 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Dear Anurag Ji, > > You may like to check > http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/18088312#page/204/mode/1up. > > I am fed up with non-availability of correct info on *Abutilon* or many > other genera, yet I am trying to ID a plant to species level....!!! > > I fully subscribe your view, "If only there was a definitive key that > bore absolutely no ambiguity." > > Sorry, dear, I am really sorry. > > Thank you > > Regards > > surajit > > > On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 8:15 AM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Will do sir. ill get back to you on this. >> >> Thank you. >> >> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you very much Anurag Ji, I can see 23 clear mericarps in that pic. >>> It means *A. indicum* (L.) Sweet can have more than 20 mericarps! >>> >>> But, it doesn't mean that your species is *A. indicum*. >>> >>> Because, there are differences. One is hair on seed. Second is the >>> tip/beak of mericarp is not that curved and pointed as in usual *A. >>> indicum*. >>> >>> So, your species may be some other. But, not *A hirtum* or *A. pannosum* I >>> think. >>> >>> Surprisingly, we do not have records of *Abutilon bidentatum* Hochst. >>> ex A. Rich. in our database. FoP has description >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250071390>, >>> FBI very little. Can you retrieve more from somewhere? >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Mon, Mar 9, 2015 at 12:48 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> The number of mericarps in that photo seem to be just over 20, as in >>>> mine sir. >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 8:14 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Anurag Ji, >>>>> >>>>> I request you to count the number of mericarps in Dinesh Ji's >>>>> photograph https://www.flickr.com/photos/dinesh_valke/6257781510 in >>>>> the thread >>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/1E9XV3RBkZI/LdC_s8ZY-0oJ. >>>>> I think the species in that thread is *A. indicum*. >>>>> >>>>> I am sad that my knowledge is so little. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 5:44 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Thank you very much sir, I too had the doubt about the hair at the >>>>>> hilum. >>>>>> If only there was a definitive key that bore absolutely no ambiguity. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will take this as Abutilon indicum. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 8, 2015 at 12:59 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> One my request, concerning *Abutilon* in another thread >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/TRSEpDxNHCA/7XzMvXm-4B4J>, >>>>>>> has not been addressed yet, leave aside met, yet I have received this >>>>>>> mail, >>>>>>> perhaps to express my view on it, view of a minnow, Huh! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I agree with Dinesh Ji's view. I do not think it is or the one in >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/indiantreepix/wzOrPt8dSyA/1h3CqyUe0xUJ >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I also do not think this is *Abutilon hirtum*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Except the hairs at hilum, which I fail to explain for want of >>>>>>> literature, I think it is probably *Abutilon indicum* G. Don, where >>>>>>> number >>>>>>> of carpels can be 20 or more >>>>>>> <http://biodiversitylibrary.org/page/731298#page/224/mode/1up>. >>>>>>> Yes, I read that FoP records, in *A. hirtum*, seed with minute >>>>>>> shinning stellate hairs, more so at hilum. At the same time FoC records >>>>>>> seeds in *A. indicum* are sparsely stellate. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, Mar 7, 2015 at 5:57 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id confirmation or otherwise please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anurag, this will not be A. pannosum, and not A.hirtum too. >>>>>>>> The links you provided yesterday were helpful to know about >>>>>>>> pannosum & hirtum. >>>>>>>> Putting them here for quick reference: >>>>>>>> *Abutilon hirtum*: herbarium >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20hirtum/P1010874.JPG> >>>>>>>> | description >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20hirtum/245.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>>> | picture >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/field/Abutilon%20hirtum/Picture%20076.jpg> >>>>>>>> *Abutilon pannosum*: herbarium >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/herb/Abutilon%20pannosum/P1010873.JPG> >>>>>>>> | description >>>>>>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg> >>>>>>>> To me your posted plant is *A. indicum*. >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> The number of mericarps (25+) and their acute tips, and >>>>>>>> emarginate petals are pointing to *Abutilon hirtum*. The >>>>>>>> indumentum is supposed to have viscid hairs, please check. >>>>>>>> Vijay >>>>>>>> Thank you sir. >>>>>>>> Here is a close up of the stem. Would you say there are viscid hair >>>>>>>> or only dense simple hair? >>>>>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>>>>> Thanks Anurag, it looks like viscid but I cannot tell for sure >>>>>>>> from the picture. When viscid glandular hairs present, it will be >>>>>>>> 'sticky' >>>>>>>> to touch. >>>>>>>> Vijay >>>>>>>> It was clicked a long time back and the stem close up is >>>>>>>> something I failed to click at the time! >>>>>>>> If not A. hirtum, what else could it be sir? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you. >>>>>>>> Anurag N. Sharma >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> nice pictures esp number 8 >>>>>>>> that makes it seem that it may have been sticky... >>>>>>>> like some fruits of some basil do and some plectranthus do... that >>>>>>>> slight dewy smallest "droplets" and they will also collect dirt.. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> usha di >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Most likely Abutilon indicum.- from Chauhan ji >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> efi pages on Abutilon indicum >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-indicum> >>>>>>>> & >>>>>>>> Abutilon hirtum >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/m/malvaceae/abutilon/abutilon-hirtum> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 27 February 2015 at 00:16 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:216971] ANFEB39 Abutilon pannosum (please >>>>>>>> validate) >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Family: Malvaceae >>>>>>>> Date: November 2014 >>>>>>>> Place: Bangalore Rural >>>>>>>> Reference: >>>>>>>> http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Abutilon%20pannosum/246.pdf.jpg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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