This is why taxonomic revisions become necessary. On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Tapas sir, Surajit sir, Promila ma'am. > > 1) Surajit sir, when I first posted this plant, I did not have access to > some local flora which could have helped. I recently got a copy. Here is > attached the key to species of Ochna in Karnataka (From Fl. Karnataka C.J. > Saldanha). This was published in the 1970s. > > 2) Based on the key, would you agree that this comes close to *Ochna > obtusata* var.* gamblei* (Brandis) Kanis? This name does not appear in > the plantlist. My reasoning is (as per my observation)- leaves are around 6 > cm long, Petals 2-2.3 cm long, most of the leaves rounded at apex and > obscurely serrate. > > 3) And as for the texture of leaves, I am afraid I do not know the > difference between coriaceous and waxy. Don't all leathery leaves seem waxy > too and vice versa? > > 4) Please also see the last attachment from K.M Matthew's flora of Tamil > Nadu Carnatic in which *Ochna obtusata* var *obtusata* is clubbed with *Ochna > squarrosa* L. In this case, please see the description of *Ochna > squarrosa *L. > <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Ochna%20squarrosa/Ochna%20squarrosa.jpg> > from Bangalore Flora in which the leaf apex is listed as acute = same as in > *Ochna > obtusata* var. *obtusata* description in Flora of Karnataka and diagram > in Flora of Tamil Nadu Carnatic. > > Please let me know what you make of this sir. > Thank you. > > On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> It may be Ocna squerosa-Ramdhan Champa >> Promila >> >> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Certainly Sir, that's why I wrote "All these are features of *Ochna >>> squarrosa* L. of Flora of British India". >>> >>> And I also noted in FBI one of its synonyms was *O. obtustata* DC. >>> >>> Now, I do not know what are the differences between *squarrosa* L. and >>> *squarrosa* non L. Neither do I know if this plant is the type species >>> or any var. or some other. >>> >>> However, as I read my points I wrote in earlier mail I notice there is >>> some mistake in point 3, it should be "sepals not much shorter than petals". >>> >>> Thank you >>> Regards >>> surajit >>> >>> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> So far as my knowledge goes, Ochna obtusata is different and distinct >>>> from O. squarrosa. Of course, O. squarrosa sensu FBI, non L. belongs here. >>>> Regards, >>>> TC. >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Oh! yes, there is naming issue >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna/ochna-obtusata> >>>>> Sir. >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> It looks like Ochna obtusata. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> TC. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I received this mail on 23rd last month. To my surprise it also >>>>>>> remains untouched. I will try with my century and half old lit., for >>>>>>> FoC or >>>>>>> FoP or eFI doesn't provide me KEY. I wonder why my modern equipped >>>>>>> friends >>>>>>> remain silent! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The features I find here are - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - a tree (maybe a large shrub) >>>>>>> - flowers are relatively large >>>>>>> - sepals not much larger than petals >>>>>>> - anthers many time longer than short filaments >>>>>>> - style exceeding (not much though) stamens >>>>>>> >>>>>>> All these are features of *Ochna squarrosa* L. of Flora of British >>>>>>> India. Leaf shape and margin serration vary. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> But, as I said these are old lit., we need modern materials, our >>>>>>> modern eFI informs there are taxa like - 1) *O. gamblei* 2) *O. >>>>>>> serrulata* 3) *O. kirkii* which I do not know. Don't wish to find >>>>>>> out synonyms to relate them with FBI. Would DNA analysis help? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My concern here is leaf texture, nothing else. You my check if you >>>>>>> can find details on *O. gamblei* (GRIN gives a synonym >>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868#syn>) which >>>>>>> have waxy leaves <http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=5895> >>>>>>> as per FRLHT. I am not sure if your leaves can be called waxy. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Better wait for experts from your region. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ochna >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna> >>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published >>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., where >>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> Date: 17 April 2015 at 19:30 >>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:221298] ANAPR48 Ochna sp. for identification >>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Family: Ochnaceae >>>>>>>> Date: 17th April 2015 >>>>>>>> Place: Nandi Hills, Bangalore, Karnataka >>>>>>>> Habit: Shrub/Small tree >>>>>>>> Habitat: Scrub forest >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected] >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than >>>>>>>> a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>> Plants >>>>>>>> etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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