You have to see the following reference and what they say about the delimitation; if not satisfied, then you have to see the original descriptions and types of all the entities: Safui & M.P. Nayar in Hajra et al., Fl. India 4: 429. 1997.
On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:46 PM, surajit koley < [email protected]> wrote: > Thank you very much Sir. > > Anurag Ji, > > I am unable to answer your Q.3. In college I/we didn't learn taxonomy to > genus or species level, our syllabus covered identification of a few family > only. > If i google "coriaceous leaf" it gives these pictures > <https://www.google.co.in/search?q=coriaceous+leaf&biw=1366&bih=643&sout=1&tbm=isch&ei=8BVWVfWyGoKPuASA_4G4Cw&start=0&sa=N> > . > "Waxy leaf" should be something like leaves of *Colocasia esculenta* (L.) > Schott > <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=107697#KEY-1-4> > . > > KEY in Flora of Karnataka (you have attached) informs leaves of var. > *gamblei* are glaucous. So you have now waxy-glaucous leaves just like > the colocasia above. I think you can go with *Ochna obtusata* var. > * gamblei* > <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> > (Brandis) > Kanis > <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> > . > > Thank you. > > Regards > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> This is why taxonomic revisions become necessary. >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Tapas sir, Surajit sir, Promila ma'am. >>> >>> 1) Surajit sir, when I first posted this plant, I did not have access to >>> some local flora which could have helped. I recently got a copy. Here is >>> attached the key to species of Ochna in Karnataka (From Fl. Karnataka C.J. >>> Saldanha). This was published in the 1970s. >>> >>> 2) Based on the key, would you agree that this comes close to *Ochna >>> obtusata* var.* gamblei* (Brandis) Kanis? This name does not appear in >>> the plantlist. My reasoning is (as per my observation)- leaves are around 6 >>> cm long, Petals 2-2.3 cm long, most of the leaves rounded at apex and >>> obscurely serrate. >>> >>> 3) And as for the texture of leaves, I am afraid I do not know the >>> difference between coriaceous and waxy. Don't all leathery leaves seem waxy >>> too and vice versa? >>> >>> 4) Please also see the last attachment from K.M Matthew's flora of Tamil >>> Nadu Carnatic in which *Ochna obtusata* var *obtusata* is clubbed with >>> *Ochna >>> squarrosa* L. In this case, please see the description of *Ochna >>> squarrosa *L. >>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Ochna%20squarrosa/Ochna%20squarrosa.jpg> >>> from Bangalore Flora in which the leaf apex is listed as acute = same as in >>> *Ochna >>> obtusata* var. *obtusata* description in Flora of Karnataka and diagram >>> in Flora of Tamil Nadu Carnatic. >>> >>> Please let me know what you make of this sir. >>> Thank you. >>> >>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> It may be Ocna squerosa-Ramdhan Champa >>>> Promila >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Certainly Sir, that's why I wrote "All these are features of *Ochna >>>>> squarrosa* L. of Flora of British India". >>>>> >>>>> And I also noted in FBI one of its synonyms was *O. obtustata* DC. >>>>> >>>>> Now, I do not know what are the differences between *squarrosa* L. >>>>> and *squarrosa* non L. Neither do I know if this plant is the type >>>>> species or any var. or some other. >>>>> >>>>> However, as I read my points I wrote in earlier mail I notice there is >>>>> some mistake in point 3, it should be "sepals not much shorter than >>>>> petals". >>>>> >>>>> Thank you >>>>> Regards >>>>> surajit >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> So far as my knowledge goes, Ochna obtusata is different and distinct >>>>>> from O. squarrosa. Of course, O. squarrosa sensu FBI, non L. belongs >>>>>> here. >>>>>> Regards, >>>>>> TC. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Oh! yes, there is naming issue >>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna/ochna-obtusata> >>>>>>> Sir. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It looks like Ochna obtusata. >>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I received this mail on 23rd last month. To my surprise it also >>>>>>>>> remains untouched. I will try with my century and half old lit., for >>>>>>>>> FoC or >>>>>>>>> FoP or eFI doesn't provide me KEY. I wonder why my modern equipped >>>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>> remain silent! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The features I find here are - >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - a tree (maybe a large shrub) >>>>>>>>> - flowers are relatively large >>>>>>>>> - sepals not much larger than petals >>>>>>>>> - anthers many time longer than short filaments >>>>>>>>> - style exceeding (not much though) stamens >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> All these are features of *Ochna squarrosa* L. of Flora of >>>>>>>>> British India. Leaf shape and margin serration vary. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> But, as I said these are old lit., we need modern materials, our >>>>>>>>> modern eFI informs there are taxa like - 1) *O. gamblei* 2) *O. >>>>>>>>> serrulata* 3) *O. kirkii* which I do not know. Don't wish to find >>>>>>>>> out synonyms to relate them with FBI. Would DNA analysis help? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> My concern here is leaf texture, nothing else. You my check if you >>>>>>>>> can find details on *O. gamblei* (GRIN gives a synonym >>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868#syn>) which >>>>>>>>> have waxy leaves <http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=5895> >>>>>>>>> as per FRLHT. I am not sure if your leaves can be called waxy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Better wait for experts from your region. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Ochna >>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna> >>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published >>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> Date: 17 April 2015 at 19:30 >>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:221298] ANAPR48 Ochna sp. for >>>>>>>>>> identification >>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Family: Ochnaceae >>>>>>>>>> Date: 17th April 2015 >>>>>>>>>> Place: Nandi Hills, Bangalore, Karnataka >>>>>>>>>> Habit: Shrub/Small tree >>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Scrub forest >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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