Sir, Does it mean we have only *Ochna obtusata* DC., without any var.?
Thank you Regards surajit On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > You have to see the following reference and what they say about the > delimitation; if not satisfied, then you have to see the original > descriptions and types of all the entities: > Safui & M.P. Nayar in Hajra et al., Fl. India 4: 429. 1997. > > > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 9:46 PM, surajit koley < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Thank you very much Sir. >> >> Anurag Ji, >> >> I am unable to answer your Q.3. In college I/we didn't learn taxonomy to >> genus or species level, our syllabus covered identification of a few family >> only. >> If i google "coriaceous leaf" it gives these pictures >> <https://www.google.co.in/search?q=coriaceous+leaf&biw=1366&bih=643&sout=1&tbm=isch&ei=8BVWVfWyGoKPuASA_4G4Cw&start=0&sa=N> >> . >> "Waxy leaf" should be something like leaves of *Colocasia esculenta* (L.) >> Schott >> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=107697#KEY-1-4> >> . >> >> KEY in Flora of Karnataka (you have attached) informs leaves of var. >> *gamblei* are glaucous. So you have now waxy-glaucous leaves just like >> the colocasia above. I think you can go with *Ochna obtusata* var. >> * gamblei* >> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> >> (Brandis) >> Kanis >> <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> >> . >> >> Thank you. >> >> Regards >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> This is why taxonomic revisions become necessary. >>> >>> On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Thank you Tapas sir, Surajit sir, Promila ma'am. >>>> >>>> 1) Surajit sir, when I first posted this plant, I did not have access >>>> to some local flora which could have helped. I recently got a copy. Here is >>>> attached the key to species of Ochna in Karnataka (From Fl. Karnataka C.J. >>>> Saldanha). This was published in the 1970s. >>>> >>>> 2) Based on the key, would you agree that this comes close to *Ochna >>>> obtusata* var.* gamblei* (Brandis) Kanis? This name does not appear in >>>> the plantlist. My reasoning is (as per my observation)- leaves are around 6 >>>> cm long, Petals 2-2.3 cm long, most of the leaves rounded at apex and >>>> obscurely serrate. >>>> >>>> 3) And as for the texture of leaves, I am afraid I do not know the >>>> difference between coriaceous and waxy. Don't all leathery leaves seem waxy >>>> too and vice versa? >>>> >>>> 4) Please also see the last attachment from K.M Matthew's flora of >>>> Tamil Nadu Carnatic in which *Ochna obtusata* var *obtusata* is >>>> clubbed with *Ochna squarrosa* L. In this case, please see the >>>> description of *Ochna squarrosa *L. >>>> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Ochna%20squarrosa/Ochna%20squarrosa.jpg> >>>> from Bangalore Flora in which the leaf apex is listed as acute = same as >>>> in *Ochna >>>> obtusata* var. *obtusata* description in Flora of Karnataka and >>>> diagram in Flora of Tamil Nadu Carnatic. >>>> >>>> Please let me know what you make of this sir. >>>> Thank you. >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < >>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> It may be Ocna squerosa-Ramdhan Champa >>>>> Promila >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Certainly Sir, that's why I wrote "All these are features of *Ochna >>>>>> squarrosa* L. of Flora of British India". >>>>>> >>>>>> And I also noted in FBI one of its synonyms was *O. obtustata* DC. >>>>>> >>>>>> Now, I do not know what are the differences between *squarrosa* L. >>>>>> and *squarrosa* non L. Neither do I know if this plant is the type >>>>>> species or any var. or some other. >>>>>> >>>>>> However, as I read my points I wrote in earlier mail I notice there >>>>>> is some mistake in point 3, it should be "sepals not much shorter than >>>>>> petals". >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> So far as my knowledge goes, Ochna obtusata is different and >>>>>>> distinct from O. squarrosa. Of course, O. squarrosa sensu FBI, non L. >>>>>>> belongs here. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Oh! yes, there is naming issue >>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna/ochna-obtusata> >>>>>>>> Sir. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> surajit >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It looks like Ochna obtusata. >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I received this mail on 23rd last month. To my surprise it also >>>>>>>>>> remains untouched. I will try with my century and half old lit., for >>>>>>>>>> FoC or >>>>>>>>>> FoP or eFI doesn't provide me KEY. I wonder why my modern equipped >>>>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>>>> remain silent! >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The features I find here are - >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> - a tree (maybe a large shrub) >>>>>>>>>> - flowers are relatively large >>>>>>>>>> - sepals not much larger than petals >>>>>>>>>> - anthers many time longer than short filaments >>>>>>>>>> - style exceeding (not much though) stamens >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> All these are features of *Ochna squarrosa* L. of Flora of >>>>>>>>>> British India. Leaf shape and margin serration vary. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> But, as I said these are old lit., we need modern materials, our >>>>>>>>>> modern eFI informs there are taxa like - 1) *O. gamblei* 2) *O. >>>>>>>>>> serrulata* 3) *O. kirkii* which I do not know. Don't wish to >>>>>>>>>> find out synonyms to relate them with FBI. Would DNA analysis help? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> My concern here is leaf texture, nothing else. You my check if >>>>>>>>>> you can find details on *O. gamblei* (GRIN gives a synonym >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868#syn>) >>>>>>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> have waxy leaves >>>>>>>>>> <http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=5895> as per FRLHT. >>>>>>>>>> I am not sure if your leaves can be called waxy. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Better wait for experts from your region. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Ochna >>>>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna> >>>>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published >>>>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 17 April 2015 at 19:30 >>>>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:221298] ANAPR48 Ochna sp. for >>>>>>>>>>> identification >>>>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Family: Ochnaceae >>>>>>>>>>> Date: 17th April 2015 >>>>>>>>>>> Place: Nandi Hills, Bangalore, Karnataka >>>>>>>>>>> Habit: Shrub/Small tree >>>>>>>>>>> Habitat: Scrub forest >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the >>>>>>>>>>> Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from >>>>>>>>>>> it, send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix >>>>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, >>>>>>>>>>> Butterflies, >>>>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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