Thank you very much Sir. Anurag Ji,
I am unable to answer your Q.3. In college I/we didn't learn taxonomy to genus or species level, our syllabus covered identification of a few family only. If i google "coriaceous leaf" it gives these pictures <https://www.google.co.in/search?q=coriaceous+leaf&biw=1366&bih=643&sout=1&tbm=isch&ei=8BVWVfWyGoKPuASA_4G4Cw&start=0&sa=N> . "Waxy leaf" should be something like leaves of *Colocasia esculenta* (L.) Schott <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=107697#KEY-1-4>. KEY in Flora of Karnataka (you have attached) informs leaves of var. *gamblei* are glaucous. So you have now waxy-glaucous leaves just like the colocasia above. I think you can go with *Ochna obtusata* var.* gamblei* <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> (Brandis) Kanis <http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idPlantNameSearch.do;jsessionid=79601186E2AE94726247E8EFEDC66F41?id=60458747-2&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvPlantNameSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DF9DD35168DE796CE6042B10B1831C2F6%3Ffind_infragenus%3D%26find_isAPNIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_geoUnit%3D%26find_includePublicationAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_addedSince%3D%26find_family%3DOchnaceae%26find_genus%3D%26find_isGCIRecord%3Dtrue%26find_infrafamily%3D%26find_rankToReturn%3D%26find_publicationTitle%3D%26find_authorAbbrev%3D%26find_infraspecies%3D%26find_includeBasionymAuthors%3Dtrue%26find_modifiedSince%3D%26find_isIKRecord%3Dtrue%26find_species%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal> . Thank you. Regards On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> wrote: > This is why taxonomic revisions become necessary. > > On Fri, May 15, 2015 at 1:59 PM, Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thank you Tapas sir, Surajit sir, Promila ma'am. >> >> 1) Surajit sir, when I first posted this plant, I did not have access to >> some local flora which could have helped. I recently got a copy. Here is >> attached the key to species of Ochna in Karnataka (From Fl. Karnataka C.J. >> Saldanha). This was published in the 1970s. >> >> 2) Based on the key, would you agree that this comes close to *Ochna >> obtusata* var.* gamblei* (Brandis) Kanis? This name does not appear in >> the plantlist. My reasoning is (as per my observation)- leaves are around 6 >> cm long, Petals 2-2.3 cm long, most of the leaves rounded at apex and >> obscurely serrate. >> >> 3) And as for the texture of leaves, I am afraid I do not know the >> difference between coriaceous and waxy. Don't all leathery leaves seem waxy >> too and vice versa? >> >> 4) Please also see the last attachment from K.M Matthew's flora of Tamil >> Nadu Carnatic in which *Ochna obtusata* var *obtusata* is clubbed with *Ochna >> squarrosa* L. In this case, please see the description of *Ochna >> squarrosa *L. >> <http://florakarnataka.ces.iisc.ernet.in/hjcb2/img/pdf/Ochna%20squarrosa/Ochna%20squarrosa.jpg> >> from Bangalore Flora in which the leaf apex is listed as acute = same as in >> *Ochna >> obtusata* var. *obtusata* description in Flora of Karnataka and diagram >> in Flora of Tamil Nadu Carnatic. >> >> Please let me know what you make of this sir. >> Thank you. >> >> On Fri, May 8, 2015 at 4:48 PM, Promila Chaturvedi < >> [email protected]> wrote: >> >>> It may be Ocna squerosa-Ramdhan Champa >>> Promila >>> >>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:40 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Certainly Sir, that's why I wrote "All these are features of *Ochna >>>> squarrosa* L. of Flora of British India". >>>> >>>> And I also noted in FBI one of its synonyms was *O. obtustata* DC. >>>> >>>> Now, I do not know what are the differences between *squarrosa* L. and >>>> *squarrosa* non L. Neither do I know if this plant is the type species >>>> or any var. or some other. >>>> >>>> However, as I read my points I wrote in earlier mail I notice there is >>>> some mistake in point 3, it should be "sepals not much shorter than >>>> petals". >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 9:01 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> So far as my knowledge goes, Ochna obtusata is different and distinct >>>>> from O. squarrosa. Of course, O. squarrosa sensu FBI, non L. belongs >>>>> here. >>>>> Regards, >>>>> TC. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 7:51 PM, surajit koley < >>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Oh! yes, there is naming issue >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna/ochna-obtusata> >>>>>> Sir. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> surajit >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:54 PM, Tapas Chakrabarty <[email protected] >>>>>> > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> It looks like Ochna obtusata. >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> TC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, May 3, 2015 at 1:43 PM, surajit koley < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dear Anurag Ji, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I received this mail on 23rd last month. To my surprise it also >>>>>>>> remains untouched. I will try with my century and half old lit., for >>>>>>>> FoC or >>>>>>>> FoP or eFI doesn't provide me KEY. I wonder why my modern equipped >>>>>>>> friends >>>>>>>> remain silent! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The features I find here are - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - a tree (maybe a large shrub) >>>>>>>> - flowers are relatively large >>>>>>>> - sepals not much larger than petals >>>>>>>> - anthers many time longer than short filaments >>>>>>>> - style exceeding (not much though) stamens >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> All these are features of *Ochna squarrosa* L. of Flora of British >>>>>>>> India. Leaf shape and margin serration vary. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But, as I said these are old lit., we need modern materials, our >>>>>>>> modern eFI informs there are taxa like - 1) *O. gamblei* 2) *O. >>>>>>>> serrulata* 3) *O. kirkii* which I do not know. Don't wish to find >>>>>>>> out synonyms to relate them with FBI. Would DNA analysis help? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My concern here is leaf texture, nothing else. You my check if you >>>>>>>> can find details on *O. gamblei* (GRIN gives a synonym >>>>>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?423868#syn>) which >>>>>>>> have waxy leaves <http://envis.frlht.org/showherbarium.php?d=5895> >>>>>>>> as per FRLHT. I am not sure if your leaves can be called waxy. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Better wait for experts from your region. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thank you >>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 11:02 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Forwarding again for Id assistance please. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Some earlier relevant feedback: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ochna >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/o/ochnaceae/ochna> >>>>>>>>> species in eFloraofindia (with details/ *keys *from published >>>>>>>>> papers/ regional floras/ FRLHT/ FOI/ Biotik/ efloras/ books etc., >>>>>>>>> where >>>>>>>>> ever available) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>>>>> From: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: 17 April 2015 at 19:30 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:221298] ANAPR48 Ochna sp. for >>>>>>>>> identification >>>>>>>>> To: [email protected] >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Family: Ochnaceae >>>>>>>>> Date: 17th April 2015 >>>>>>>>> Place: Nandi Hills, Bangalore, Karnataka >>>>>>>>> Habit: Shrub/Small tree >>>>>>>>> Habitat: Scrub forest >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to >>>>>>>>> [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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