Dear Mr. Surajit Thanks for the response. Firstly I respect all teachers and I would prefer if you call me Pankaj I am 20 years old only since more than one decade after all. Secondly Orchids and Asclepiadaceae are very similar in some aspects thats why I wanted to explain. The most interesting part is how and such different plant family are so similar!! No one knows..... Keep up with your curiosity and many interesting discoveries in the world were made just because some people were more curious than others. Best regards Pankaj
On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 9:33 PM, surajit koley <[email protected] > wrote: > Dear Pankaj Sir, > > I didn't mind anything at all, for I knew there was a 'communication gap'. > > Cheers > > Thank you > Regards > surajit koley > a *non-botanist* member of > efloraofIndia google group > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2015 at 4:10 AM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Dear All >> I reread my previous mail and I understand that I had been rude in my >> reply. It is my mistake and I apologize to Mr. Surajit Koley on this >> thread. I will try to improve my sentiments positively from now on. >> I am extremely sorry for my behavior. >> Regards >> Pankaj >> >> >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:48 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Pollinia = "paired sacs of pollen >>> <http://botany.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/Wilson/tfp/ast/ascpage2.htm>" >>> & >>> "What you pointed at pollinia is not pollinia, IT IS A SAC INSIDE WHICH >>> ONE LOBE OF POLLINIA IS HIDDEN" >>> The pair of statements above tells me what I pointed at = A SAC INSIDE >>> WHICH ONE LOBE OF PAIRED SACS OF POLLEN IS HIDDEN >>> >>> *Pollinia IS NOT EQUAL TO PAIRED SAC OF POLLEN. Pollinia is a structure >>> which is formed of two lobes of pollen mass adhered together with a Y >>> shaped caudicle also called as TRANSLATOR ARMS and gland at the end of Y >>> which is sticky, also called as VISCIDIUM in some cases, to get on the >>> insect legs or other body parts. Pollen sac is usually referred to a sac >>> like structure inside which these lobes hide FREELY. Basically you cannot >>> see the pollinia unless you take it out. Once you take it our, the pollen >>> sac stays back on gynostegium as it is an integral part of the gynostegium.* >>> >>> Gynostegium = "anther + stigmatic disc >>> <http://waynesword.palomar.edu/termfl1.htm>". >>> & >>> "what you pointed as 'what is this?' is called GYNOSTEGIUM" >>> The pair of statements above tells me = NUMBER OF GYNOSTEGIUM IN THE >>> PLATE I HAVE LABELLED IS FIVE, OF WHICH TWO ARE MARKED BY BLUE ARROWS >>> >>> *GYNOSTEGIUM IS NOT ANTHER + STIGMATIC DISC.* >>> *DID I TELL YOU THERE ARE 5 GYNOSTEGIUMS? Gynostegium is the complete >>> structure which is formed by the fusion of androecium and gynoecium. Once >>> fused this is a single structure that is SINGLE GYNOSTEGIUM which can have >>> five lobes BUT NOT 5 GYNOSTEGIUM.* >>> >>> Corona = "hood + horn <http://waynesword.palomar.edu/termfl1.htm>" >>> & >>> "Outer corona is the CORONA HOOD, inner corona is the CORONA HORN" >>> The pair of statements above tells me = THOSE ASCLEPIADS WHICH HAVESINGLE >>> CORONA >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10066#KEY-1-18> >>> WILL EITHER HAVE HOOD OR HAVE HORN >>> >>> *CORONA IS NOT HOOD + HORN* >>> *OUTER CORONA AS PER YOUR LABEL AND INNER CORONA AS PER YOUR LABEL. I >>> never said there are two corona. Corona is infact part of petals modified >>> to form some structure which can be simple papillae as in Viola or long >>> appendages as in Passiflora. In your pic corona is single circle of >>> structure, and it can be divided into corona hood and corona horn ALSO >>> REFERRED TO AS CORONAL HOOD AND CORONAL HORN.* >>> >>> *So please read my comments properly before giving your interpretation.* >>> *Thanks* >>> *Pankaj* >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 9:00 PM, surajit koley < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> What a insight inside, Dr. Pankaj! >>>> >>>> Pollinia = "paired sacs of pollen >>>> <http://botany.csdl.tamu.edu/FLORA/Wilson/tfp/ast/ascpage2.htm>" >>>> & >>>> "What you pointed at pollinia is not pollinia, IT IS A SAC INSIDE >>>> WHICH ONE LOBE OF POLLINIA IS HIDDEN" >>>> The pair of statements above tells me what I pointed at = A SAC INSIDE >>>> WHICH ONE LOBE OF PAIRED SACS OF POLLEN IS HIDDEN >>>> >>>> Gynostegium = "anther + stigmatic disc >>>> <http://waynesword.palomar.edu/termfl1.htm>". >>>> & >>>> "what you pointed as 'what is this?' is called GYNOSTEGIUM" >>>> The pair of statements above tells me = NUMBER OF GYNOSTEGIUM IN THE >>>> PLATE I HAVE LABELLED IS FIVE, OF WHICH TWO ARE MARKED BY BLUE ARROWS >>>> >>>> Corona = "hood + horn <http://waynesword.palomar.edu/termfl1.htm>" >>>> & >>>> "Outer corona is the CORONA HOOD, inner corona is the CORONA HORN" >>>> The pair of statements above tells me = THOSE ASCLEPIADS WHICH HAVE SINGLE >>>> CORONA >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=10066#KEY-1-18> >>>> WILL EITHER HAVE HOOD OR HAVE HORN >>>> >>>> So kind of you, Dr. Pankaj >>>> >>>> Thank you >>>> Regards >>>> surajit koley >>>> a *non-botanist* member of >>>> efloraofIndia google group >>>> >>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 1:47 PM, Pankaj Kumar <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I dont know which question mark stands for which question, but you >>>>> need to spend some time to find a plant in flower and open up the flower >>>>> and you will know where pollinia is. >>>>> What you pointed at pollinia is not pollinia, IT IS A SAC INSIDE WHICH >>>>> ONE LOBE OF POLLINIA IS HIDDEN (PUT YOUR PENCIL TIP ON THE GLAND AND PULL >>>>> IT OUT TO SEE POLLINIA) and what you pointed as 'what is this?' is called >>>>> GYNOSTEGIUM (KIND OF A STAGE ON WHICH MALE AND FEMALE PARTS ARE LOCATED IN >>>>> THIS SECTION OF APOCYNACEAE). Outer corona is the CORONA HOOD, inner >>>>> corona >>>>> is the CORONA HORN. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 3:09 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Forwarding again for any assistance in the matter please. >>>>>> >>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message ---------- >>>>>> From: surajit koley <[email protected]> >>>>>> Date: 21 May 2015 at 12:09 >>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:224761] PLEASE H E L P PLEASE >>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>> Cc: Anurag Sharma <[email protected]> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> To make this plate I copied two photographs recorded by Anurag Ji. >>>>>> Please help me to understand different floral structure of an asclepiad >>>>>> flower. Please check all label and let me know which are wrongly marked. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thank you >>>>>> >>>>>> Regards >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more than a >>>>>> thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, Plants >>>>>> etc. >>>>>> (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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