Samir, I marked a copy to Tabish because my plant features in Flowers of India <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Wild%20Cosmos.html> :-) He should be aware of the outcome of this discussion; he may even share his thoughts. Hopefully Shrikant ji also gives his thoughts.
Rather than digging into keys of exotic flora, if we get to know the facts / history of their introduction, that may serve our purpose. I strongly believe only one of these was introduced in India. Regards. Dinesh On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:58 PM, Samir Mehta <[email protected]> wrote: > I had relied on FoS for the id. Now that stands challenged – and for good > reason. > > Point well taken; Agree with your concerns Dinesh. > > The two species seem to be very closely related. [I will post one > Alisycarpus where I am having similar difficulty] > > Objective: is to take a bipartisan approach to resolving the id (not only > two of us but the entire group - that's what a group is for in the first > place). > > I suggest: > > 1. We try and get relevant keys of genus Cosmos. > 2. Some scientific paper on the genus or something even more specific. > 3. In Asteraceae the bracts are important, so the reverse of the flower > face is important to demonstrate. > > . > > I am marking this mail to Shrikant Ingalhalikar also (you have already > marked mail to Tabish). It will be helpful if the two gentlemen share there > views also as we have relied on their respective works. > > I am also adding one more image to add more data on the species > photographed by me. If you have more revealing images of your specimen > please share them (or link) with this thread. > > > Rgds, > > > On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:26 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> At the University of Michigan pages, the Notes are as follows ... >> >> >> *C. diversifolius* >> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif >> Notes >> Pine-oak forests west of summits Occasional, mostly past flower. *Rays >> white, disk yellow*. >> >> >> *C. caudatus* >> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF >> Notes >> Ungrazed hillsides in Bouteloua grassland Abundant on banks and disturbed >> ground. Annual to 2 m. high; selected small specimens; *rays deep pink, >> paler after opening, and often white toward base; disk yellow* >> >> >> Regards. >> Dinesh >> >> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thanks Samir for working out to get the references used for arriving to *C. >>> diversifolius*. >>> >>> >>> Yes, Shrikant ji's 3rd book does show a picture of *C. diversifolius* >>> matching posted plant's flower. >>> >>> Let us view a link related to *C. caudatus* in Wikimedia ... >>> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Cosmos_caudatus >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> and the herbarium link ... >>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108998/MICH1108998.TIF >>> >>> >>> Somehow the content at both the links provided by you / me match the >>> posted plant. >>> We thus need someone to help us understand which of the two species was >>> introduced in India. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 4:01 AM, Samir Mehta <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> For the more technical, visit: >>>> http://quod.lib.umich.edu/h/herb2ic/x-mich1108999/mich1108999___tif >>>> >>>> Rgds, >>>> >>>> On Thu, Oct 29, 2015 at 12:31 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks all for having consensus on *Cosmos diversifolius*. >>>>> I had posted my plant to the group with the ID of *C. caudatus*. It >>>>> was not validated positively (nor in negative until today). >>>>> >>>>> This ID of *Cosmos diversifolius* is not convincing me. >>>>> >>>>> Both *C. diversifolius >>>>> <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11682>* and *C. >>>>> caudatus <http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?11681>* >>>>> are native of Latin America, Not sure if *C. diversifolius* has >>>>> naturalized in our country - not mentioned in NPGS pages, rather *C. >>>>> caudatus* seems to have naturalized in larger part of eastern >>>>> hemisphere including India. >>>>> >>>>> Results in image search on Google for these two species >>>>> *diversifolius* & *caudatus* match more to *C. caudatus*. >>>>> >>>>> Dear friends, I have put my thoughts, please validate. >>>>> >>>>> Regards. >>>>> Dinesh >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 11:35 PM, Samir Mehta <[email protected]> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Yes Dinesh, plant has been incorrectly identified on the group. No >>>>>> wonder I did not find it when I searched for it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Paresh ji, your images are superb. >>>>>> >>>>>> Rgds, >>>>>> >>>>>> Samir Mehta >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wednesday, October 28, 2015 at 11:09:05 PM UTC+5:30, pareshchuri >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Wonderful images Samir ji ! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Yes Dinesh ji, I have also photographed this plant from Tungreshwar >>>>>>> WLS & got identified from Sushant More. >>>>>>> It can be viewed here- >>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://www.ifoundbutterflies.org/nectar-plants/969/Cosmos-diversifolius >>>>>>> <http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ifoundbutterflies.org%2Fnectar-plants%2F969%2FCosmos-diversifolius&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNEalkP5gbpO1_d6C7_kLKuRsB949Q> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:59 PM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks Samir for sharing this plant; I have similar (seen planted >>>>>>>> at Tungareshwar WLS) and was under the impression that it is *Cosmos >>>>>>>> caudatus* Kunth. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Regards. >>>>>>>> Dinesh >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, Oct 28, 2015 at 9:12 PM, Samir Mehta <[email protected]> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Wild flower @ S Gujarat, October. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> New addition to group data base. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Samir Mehta >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>>>>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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