Thanks, Singh ji. But as per another thread <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/4LBnAbOjV2U>: "This should be taken as *Geum roylei *Bolle (syn: *G. urbanum *Auct. (non L.))"
On 20 December 2016 at 09:51, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yes Geum urbanum > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Mon, Dec 19, 2016 at 7:22 PM, Aarti S. Khale <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> Thanks a lot Chadwell Ji. >> Regards, >> Aarti >> >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 6:18 AM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thanks, Chadwell ji >>> >>> On 20 Dec 2016 7:36 a.m., "[email protected]" < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> When botanizing in the UK and able to recognise that a plant is an >>>> 'Avens' (Geum sp.) the situation is fairly simple. Near to where I live it >>>> will be Geum urbanum. >>>> In other parts of the UK, in marshes, stream-sides, damp woods etc. it >>>> may well be Geum rivale. During survey work in Wales I came across both >>>> species together and what is known as a "hybrid swarm" being able to >>>> recognise the hybrid Geum rivale x urbanum lnown as Geum x intermedium. >>>> The swarms show a large range of variation with "back-crosses".... >>>> >>>> Let us return to Kashmir. I must admit to having taken little notice >>>> of Geums in the Himalaya at lower elevations, as they are of rather 'weedy' >>>> appearance, resembling Geum urbanum which I was familiar with the UK. I >>>> did take notice of Geum elatum, which is common in Kashmir @ 3-4000m in >>>> subalpine and alpine meadows - so not something to be found in Srinagar. >>>> >>>> *But there has been confusion with the Geum or perhaps Geums at lower >>>> elevations.* >>>> >>>> 'Flowers of the Himalaya' Geum roylei is found @ 1800-3600m in forests >>>> & shrubberies from Afghanistan to Central Nepal. *They say "very >>>> similar to G.urbanum found in Europe".* >>>> >>>> According to Stewart *Geum roylei Boille* (syn. G.roylei Wall, >>>> G.urbanum *Hk*. in FBI) is common in the temperate zone of Kashmir & >>>> 2-4000m which he says is "taller & much weedier than G.elatum". >>>> >>>> He also says *G.urbanum L.* is common in temperate zone of Kashmir, >>>> chiefly in the temperate zone @ 2100-3900 which he describes as "taller and >>>> more weedy than G.roylei". >>>> >>>> *Flippantly, perhaps G.roylei and G.urbanum can be distinguished on >>>> their height & 'weediness' (the latter being rather subjective)!?* >>>> >>>> Seriously though, I do have a set of images of Geum urbanum taken in >>>> the UK (albeit that they may vary from the forms growing in Kashmir and >>>> will check in case this has been recognised as varietal or subspecies >>>> level) or now submerged into G.roylei, which might be worth posting for >>>> comparative purposes. >>>> >>>> I also have a set of images of Geum elatum. >>>> >>>> *I see from a quick look at other postings of Geum on eFI there is only >>>> G.roylei. There are no posts for Geum elatum, so would be worthwhile to >>>> add images of this lovely species - though have only seen the yellow >>>> forms.* >>>> >>>> >>>> *On the basis of Stewart, both sets of images taken by Aarti would be >>>> of G.roylei but need to see the latest thinking as to whether both G.roylei >>>> and G.urbanum are found in the Himalaya. Part of the confusion has arisen >>>> as a result of the species name urbanum being used by both Hooker and >>>> Linnaeus.* >>>> >>>> *I note that in 'Plants of Gulmarg' Naqshi, Singh & Koul (1984) they >>>> only list G.urbanum L. as common - no mention of G.roylei* >>>> >>>> Further East in the Himalaya there is Geum sikkimense. >>>> >>>> >>>> On Tuesday, June 7, 2016 at 7:30:57 AM UTC+1, Aarti S. Khale wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear friends, >>>>> Posting after a very long while. >>>>> Wild flower seen in Srinagar on 24th April,16. >>>>> Is it Geum Species? >>>>> Aarti >>>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >>>> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >>>> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >>>> >>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "efloraofindia" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at https://groups.google.com/group/indiantreepix. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- With regards, J.M.Garg 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia>. 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