Justicia concinna used to be Rungia elegans not so long ago . On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 2:02 PM Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Thank you Rakesh ji and Garg ji for this discussion. > > I am not much confident to comment in this. Somehow I have always got > confused when I see these plants with variations - especially when they > interchange their habit - or may be I mistake them so. I am used to see > *Rungia > pectinata* as an erect herb with wiry stems / branches, typically 1.5 > feet or so, and sometimes as tall as half a metre or so, growing in small > colonies. I suspect having seen *Rungia pectinata* grow prostrate in open > barren ground - though I could be mistaking the species. > > Among the larger ones, I think there is one *Rungia elegans* too. I > assume it is not included in this discussion, because it may not be posing > any confusion. > > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:34 PM dr.rakesh Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I doubt the '3 rows' of sterile bracts . So far it is only 2 rows in all >> 3 types . >> I checked my collections from 2015 . >> Larger one is J. repens (Rungia repens ) , two smaller ones need to be >> sorted out . >> We agree on this . >> >> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Description as available for Rungia parviflora >>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> is >>> below: >>> A small, soft annual herb. leaves membranous, variable, ovate, >>> lanceolate or linear- spathulate. flowers in small spikes; barren and >>> flowering bracts very different, the former in 3 rows on one side of the >>> spike, thick, elliptic, mucronate; the later with the flowers on the other >>> side, conspicuously hyaline- margined, ovate or orbicular- ciliate, calyx- >>> lobes 5, corolla blue. >>> >>> India biodiversity Portal gives the following description for *Rungia >>> parviflora*: >>> Diffuse or ascending herbs. Leaves elliptic or elliptic-ovate, 2 by 1 >>> cm, base and apex acute, lateral veins c. 3 pairs. Spikes c. 15 mm long; >>> floral bracts glabrescent; corolla pinkish-white. Capsule ellipsoid. >>> Flowering and fruiting: March-April. Wastelands in the plains. Peninsular >>> India and Sri Lanka >>> >>> *Rungia pectinata* (Linnaeus) Nees in A. Candolle in Flora of China >>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022026>: >>> Herbs 20-50 cm tall, annual or perennial. Stem basally prostrate and >>> rooting at nodes then erect, minutely pubescent. Petiole 0-7 mm; leaf blade >>> oblong-elliptic, 1-4 × 0.4-1.4 cm, glabrous except for a few trichomes >>> along veins, secondary veins ca. 4 on each side of midvein, base cuneate >>> and decurrent onto petiole, margin entire, apex acute. Spikes axillary or >>> terminal, 0.5-2 cm, 1-sided, solitary or sometimes 2 or 3 compound; bracts >>> dimorphic; sterile bracts green, elliptic, ca. 4 × 0.7 mm, glabrous, apex >>> acute; fertile bracts circular to obovate, 4-5 × ca. 2 mm, pubescent, >>> margin broadly hyaline, apex obtuse to rounded to emarginate and >>> mucronulate; bracteoles elliptic, 2-3 mm, margin ciliate, apex 2-cleft and >>> subacute. Calyx colorless, pubescent; lobes linear-lanceolate, ca. 3 × 0.5 >>> mm, margin narrowly hyaline, apex mucronulate. Corolla blue or white, ca. 5 >>> mm, outside pubescent; lower lip 3-lobed, lobes triangular; upper lip >>> ovate, 1-2 mm, apex emarginate. Staminal filaments glabrous. Ovary >>> glabrous. Capsule ellipsoid, ca. 2.5 mm, glabrous, 2-4-seeded, apex >>> apiculate. Seeds orbicular in outline, ca. 1 mm in diam., minutely >>> verrucose. Fl. Nov-Jan, fr. Jan-Apr. >>> >>> But I am unable to find out the clear cut difference between the two >>> from the above. >>> >>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 10:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Checklist of Nepal, gives *Rungia parviflora* (Retz.) Nees as a syn. >>>> of *Rungia pectinata* (L.) Nees >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200022026> >>>> Flora of Pakistan did not mention any Rungia species. >>>> Flora of China >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128875> >>>> has only *Rungia pectinata* (Linnaeus) Nees >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022026> out >>>> of these. >>>> Pl. see FOC illustration >>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119450&flora_id=2> >>>> for this. >>>> >>>> As per Dr. Wood (who changed the names from Rungia to Justicia)" >>>> *Rungia muralis* is usually seen as a variety of *Justicia parviflora*. >>>> I have made no combinations for the varieties as they are a chaos and need >>>> a thorough revision - most are probably of no value. >>>> >>>> Thus, from the above discussions, there are broadly two complexes, one >>>> related to *R. pectinata* (syn: *Rungia parviflora* var. *pectinata* >>>> (L.) C. B. Cl.) and* Rungia parviflora* (*Bracts dimorphic*) and other >>>> related to *R. repens* (*Bracts uniform*). >>>> >>>> Thus, Rakesh ji's posted species in this thread with uniform bracts >>>> should be *R. repens* >>>> >>>> However, we have to still find keys and differences between *R. >>>> pectinata* (syn: *Rungia parviflora* var. *pectinata* (L.) C. B. Cl.) >>>> and* Rungia parviflora* (*Bracts dimorphic*) >>>> >>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 10:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I check the related species in Flora of Peninsular India, but could >>>>> not find the keys between the three species as per >>>>> Rungia pectinata >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=310&cat=7> >>>>> Rungia repens >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=311&cat=7> >>>>> Rungia parviflora >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> >>>>> Rungia muralis >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=308&cat=7> >>>>> >>>>> Only description is available for Rungia parviflora >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> >>>>> as >>>>> below: >>>>> A small, soft annual herb. leaves membranous, variable, ovate, >>>>> lanceolate or linear- spathulate. flowers in small spikes; barren and >>>>> flowering bracts very different, the former in 3 rows on one side of the >>>>> spike, thick, elliptic, mucronate; the later with the flowers on the other >>>>> side, conspicuously hyaline- margined, ovate or orbicular- ciliate, calyx- >>>>> lobes 5, corolla blue. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 09:56, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi, Rakesh ji. >>>>>> We will certainly go through the descriptions. >>>>>> But before that we have to find *keys* between the three species., >>>>>> in differences sources of literature. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 19:53, dr.rakesh Singh < >>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> We need to have descriptions of species . >>>>>>> Garg sir , the keys you have quoted are not enough . >>>>>>> For one , leaf is highly variable in size , so is petiole . >>>>>>> Two , bracts in all 3 are having papery white margin . While in >>>>>>> bigger one margins do not overlap and they show prominently in >>>>>>> contrasting >>>>>>> colors , in two smaller ones bracts overlap and white papery margin is >>>>>>> not >>>>>>> visible on backside , though visible on side of flowers . >>>>>>> Attached photos belong to larger one , spike going up to 20 cm long >>>>>>> . Habit prostrate , erect when crowded . >>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 18:16 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Rakesh ji, in a recent thread, has expressed doubts about clarity >>>>>>>> in these species in efi site. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> So let us look at these afresh with our literature. >>>>>>>> Flora of Madhya Pradesh: Chhatarpur and Damoh (Description) >>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=nC-TikpU0sEC&pg=PA338&dq=Justicia+pectinata+%2B+INdia&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pr-8UPaoMNCzrAfnkoDYDg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Justicia%20pectinata%20%2B%20INdia&f=false> >>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>> the following keys: >>>>>>>> 1a. Sterile and fertile bracts dissimilar. Upper lip of Corolla >>>>>>>> acute. Spikes 2.5-5 cm- *R. pectinata* >>>>>>>> 1b. Sterile and fertile bracts similar. Upper lip of Corolla >>>>>>>> emarginate. Spikes 2.5-5 cm- *R. repens* >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Flora Of Guntur District: Andhra Pradesh, India (Description) >>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=1kHNgLyXbJUC&pg=PA273&dq=Justicia+pectinata+%2B+INdia&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pr-8UPaoMNCzrAfnkoDYDg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Justicia%20pectinata%20%2B%20INdia&f=false> >>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>> the following keys: >>>>>>>> 1a. Bracts dimorphic. Fertile bracts villous, petiole ca. 2 cm >>>>>>>> long- *R. pectinata* >>>>>>>> 1b. Bracts uniform. 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