Thanks, Dinesh ji. On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 14:23, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote:
> Yes Garg ji, *Rungia elegans* flowers as well as bracts spike are quite > stout - so it can only be mistaken by some, but certainly far from > confusion. > Regards. > Dinesh > > On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 2:18 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Dinesh ji. >> Rungia elegans was causing confusion with lot of them earlier identified >> as R. pectinata. >> I am correcting them now one by one. Pl. check. >> >> >> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 14:02, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Rakesh ji and Garg ji for this discussion. >>> >>> I am not much confident to comment in this. Somehow I have always got >>> confused when I see these plants with variations - especially when they >>> interchange their habit - or may be I mistake them so. I am used to see >>> *Rungia >>> pectinata* as an erect herb with wiry stems / branches, typically 1.5 >>> feet or so, and sometimes as tall as half a metre or so, growing in small >>> colonies. I suspect having seen *Rungia pectinata* grow prostrate in >>> open barren ground - though I could be mistaking the species. >>> >>> Among the larger ones, I think there is one *Rungia elegans* too. I >>> assume it is not included in this discussion, because it may not be posing >>> any confusion. >>> >>> Regards. >>> Dinesh >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:34 PM dr.rakesh Singh < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> I doubt the '3 rows' of sterile bracts . So far it is only 2 rows in >>>> all 3 types . >>>> I checked my collections from 2015 . >>>> Larger one is J. repens (Rungia repens ) , two smaller ones need to be >>>> sorted out . >>>> We agree on this . >>>> >>>> On Sat, Jan 4, 2020 at 1:05 PM J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Description as available for Rungia parviflora >>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> >>>>> is >>>>> below: >>>>> A small, soft annual herb. leaves membranous, variable, ovate, >>>>> lanceolate or linear- spathulate. flowers in small spikes; barren and >>>>> flowering bracts very different, the former in 3 rows on one side of the >>>>> spike, thick, elliptic, mucronate; the later with the flowers on the other >>>>> side, conspicuously hyaline- margined, ovate or orbicular- ciliate, calyx- >>>>> lobes 5, corolla blue. >>>>> >>>>> India biodiversity Portal gives the following description for *Rungia >>>>> parviflora*: >>>>> Diffuse or ascending herbs. Leaves elliptic or elliptic-ovate, 2 by 1 >>>>> cm, base and apex acute, lateral veins c. 3 pairs. Spikes c. 15 mm long; >>>>> floral bracts glabrescent; corolla pinkish-white. Capsule ellipsoid. >>>>> Flowering and fruiting: March-April. Wastelands in the plains. Peninsular >>>>> India and Sri Lanka >>>>> >>>>> *Rungia pectinata* (Linnaeus) Nees in A. Candolle in Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022026> >>>>> : >>>>> Herbs 20-50 cm tall, annual or perennial. Stem basally prostrate and >>>>> rooting at nodes then erect, minutely pubescent. Petiole 0-7 mm; leaf >>>>> blade >>>>> oblong-elliptic, 1-4 × 0.4-1.4 cm, glabrous except for a few trichomes >>>>> along veins, secondary veins ca. 4 on each side of midvein, base cuneate >>>>> and decurrent onto petiole, margin entire, apex acute. Spikes axillary or >>>>> terminal, 0.5-2 cm, 1-sided, solitary or sometimes 2 or 3 compound; bracts >>>>> dimorphic; sterile bracts green, elliptic, ca. 4 × 0.7 mm, glabrous, apex >>>>> acute; fertile bracts circular to obovate, 4-5 × ca. 2 mm, pubescent, >>>>> margin broadly hyaline, apex obtuse to rounded to emarginate and >>>>> mucronulate; bracteoles elliptic, 2-3 mm, margin ciliate, apex 2-cleft and >>>>> subacute. Calyx colorless, pubescent; lobes linear-lanceolate, ca. 3 × 0.5 >>>>> mm, margin narrowly hyaline, apex mucronulate. Corolla blue or white, ca. >>>>> 5 >>>>> mm, outside pubescent; lower lip 3-lobed, lobes triangular; upper lip >>>>> ovate, 1-2 mm, apex emarginate. Staminal filaments glabrous. Ovary >>>>> glabrous. Capsule ellipsoid, ca. 2.5 mm, glabrous, 2-4-seeded, apex >>>>> apiculate. Seeds orbicular in outline, ca. 1 mm in diam., minutely >>>>> verrucose. Fl. Nov-Jan, fr. Jan-Apr. >>>>> >>>>> But I am unable to find out the clear cut difference between the two >>>>> from the above. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 10:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Checklist of Nepal, gives *Rungia parviflora* (Retz.) Nees as a syn. >>>>>> of *Rungia pectinata* (L.) Nees >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=110&taxon_id=200022026> >>>>>> Flora of Pakistan did not mention any Rungia species. >>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=128875> >>>>>> has only *Rungia pectinata* (Linnaeus) Nees >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200022026> >>>>>> out >>>>>> of these. >>>>>> Pl. see FOC illustration >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=119450&flora_id=2> >>>>>> for this. >>>>>> >>>>>> As per Dr. Wood (who changed the names from Rungia to Justicia)" >>>>>> *Rungia muralis* is usually seen as a variety of *Justicia >>>>>> parviflora*. I have made no combinations for the varieties as they >>>>>> are a chaos and need a thorough revision - most are probably of no value. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus, from the above discussions, there are broadly two complexes, >>>>>> one related to *R. pectinata* (syn: *Rungia parviflora* var. >>>>>> *pectinata* (L.) C. B. Cl.) and* Rungia parviflora* (*Bracts >>>>>> dimorphic*) and other related to *R. repens* (*Bracts uniform*). >>>>>> >>>>>> Thus, Rakesh ji's posted species in this thread with uniform bracts >>>>>> should be *R. repens* >>>>>> >>>>>> However, we have to still find keys and differences between *R. >>>>>> pectinata* (syn: *Rungia parviflora* var. *pectinata* (L.) C. B. >>>>>> Cl.) and* Rungia parviflora* (*Bracts dimorphic*) >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 10:12, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I check the related species in Flora of Peninsular India, but could >>>>>>> not find the keys between the three species as per >>>>>>> Rungia pectinata >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=310&cat=7> >>>>>>> Rungia repens >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=311&cat=7> >>>>>>> Rungia parviflora >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> >>>>>>> Rungia muralis >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=308&cat=7> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Only description is available for Rungia parviflora >>>>>>> <http://flora-peninsula-indica.ces.iisc.ac.in/herbsheet.php?id=309&cat=7> >>>>>>> as >>>>>>> below: >>>>>>> A small, soft annual herb. leaves membranous, variable, ovate, >>>>>>> lanceolate or linear- spathulate. flowers in small spikes; barren and >>>>>>> flowering bracts very different, the former in 3 rows on one side of the >>>>>>> spike, thick, elliptic, mucronate; the later with the flowers on the >>>>>>> other >>>>>>> side, conspicuously hyaline- margined, ovate or orbicular- ciliate, >>>>>>> calyx- >>>>>>> lobes 5, corolla blue. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 4 Jan 2020 at 09:56, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, Rakesh ji. >>>>>>>> We will certainly go through the descriptions. >>>>>>>> But before that we have to find *keys* between the three species., >>>>>>>> in differences sources of literature. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, 3 Jan 2020 at 19:53, dr.rakesh Singh < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> We need to have descriptions of species . >>>>>>>>> Garg sir , the keys you have quoted are not enough . >>>>>>>>> For one , leaf is highly variable in size , so is petiole . >>>>>>>>> Two , bracts in all 3 are having papery white margin . While in >>>>>>>>> bigger one margins do not overlap and they show prominently in >>>>>>>>> contrasting >>>>>>>>> colors , in two smaller ones bracts overlap and white papery margin >>>>>>>>> is not >>>>>>>>> visible on backside , though visible on side of flowers . >>>>>>>>> Attached photos belong to larger one , spike going up to 20 cm >>>>>>>>> long . Habit prostrate , erect when crowded . >>>>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 3, 2020, 18:16 J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Rakesh ji, in a recent thread, has expressed doubts about clarity >>>>>>>>>> in these species in efi site. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So let us look at these afresh with our literature. >>>>>>>>>> Flora of Madhya Pradesh: Chhatarpur and Damoh (Description) >>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=nC-TikpU0sEC&pg=PA338&dq=Justicia+pectinata+%2B+INdia&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pr-8UPaoMNCzrAfnkoDYDg&ved=0CC4Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=Justicia%20pectinata%20%2B%20INdia&f=false> >>>>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>>>> the following keys: >>>>>>>>>> 1a. Sterile and fertile bracts dissimilar. Upper lip of Corolla >>>>>>>>>> acute. Spikes 2.5-5 cm- *R. pectinata* >>>>>>>>>> 1b. Sterile and fertile bracts similar. Upper lip of Corolla >>>>>>>>>> emarginate. Spikes 2.5-5 cm- *R. repens* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Flora Of Guntur District: Andhra Pradesh, India (Description) >>>>>>>>>> <http://books.google.co.in/books?id=1kHNgLyXbJUC&pg=PA273&dq=Justicia+pectinata+%2B+INdia&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Pr-8UPaoMNCzrAfnkoDYDg&ved=0CDQQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=Justicia%20pectinata%20%2B%20INdia&f=false> >>>>>>>>>> gives >>>>>>>>>> the following keys: >>>>>>>>>> 1a. Bracts dimorphic. Fertile bracts villous, petiole ca. 2 cm >>>>>>>>>> long- *R. pectinata* >>>>>>>>>> 1b. Bracts uniform. 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