Thank you Mr. Garg. You are too kind. Regards, Ashwini
On Sun, 12 Apr, 2020, 8:52 PM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: > In fact all this new learning has been because of your persistence and > super follow up presentations. > > On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 20:51, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks a lot, Ashwini ji. >> We are always open and change our ids and pages when we ourselves find >> new evidence. >> >> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 18:29, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >>> Thank you Mr. Garg. We can conclude for the time being that the flowers >>> here are *V. canescens*. >>> >>> >>> Warm regards, >>> Ashwini >>> >>> >>> On 12-Apr-2020, at 1:58 PM, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Hi, Ashwini ji. >>> I think style matches with the illustration. Ovary is also hairy. >>> If we may examine hundreds of specimens, we may find little variation >>> here and there in most of the characters. >>> All hundreds of specimens can not be put in an image, only a >>> representative images can be made. Same is for the description. >>> As far as style of Viola pilosa >>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>> is >>> concerned, we have not seen the close up as you have shown for the other >>> species. >>> >>> >>> >>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:10, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Sending here a combined image for reference and comparison. >>>> >>>> Thanks. >>>> Ashwini >>>> >>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 13:03, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Dear Mr. Garg, >>>>> I agree with you that if we are certain about the flowers on our >>>>> website here >>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>> being *Viola pilosa*, then as certainly the flowers from Dharamshala >>>>> are not *V. pilosa*. As the images below show, they have a >>>>> three-lobed stigma and the pointed lip. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/18709915a1a38/_DSC0732%20-%20Copy.JPG?part=0.3&view=1&vt=ANaJVrHtj7ZHsf69djLbP1FCOPxM2mjOS-k4-1BGLdC92xV0dz2p5eiPZpbhRnyxjj5OGCfw1gPFLC5YUga35lktvq0Cs9QL9BeT_Y4y4YwJqF-QdnCDEBw >>>>> >>>>> https://08511630493324166816.googlegroups.com/attach/2f0eca70ef548d1e/ID.jpg?part=0.1&view=1&vt=ANaJVrHOJ5wqfYQZIWIRiwBTCrUsRrn21uwlgV_vAwPX0ZUnlZC05Ue92Ojidg7HhNiOnPsPuZ8hx9EuP4n30fgYYnDOuATzm_TJgcd8alVmOV54DAtrrCI >>>>> >>>>> These should be the defining characters then. But that will also prove >>>>> that the illustration provided by Santosh Agarwal ji is not reliable and >>>>> neither is the description in FOP or FOC for that matter. The older >>>>> literature such as *Flora Simlensis* and *Flowers of the Himalaya* both >>>>> win here. >>>>> >>>>> Tabish ji has already included a 3-lobed stigma in his description on >>>>> FOI, which stand correct. >>>>> >>>>> So if FOC, FOP and the illustration of styles cannot be relied upon, >>>>> how will we file flowers from Dharamshala under *V. canescens*? >>>>> >>>>> Thank you. >>>>> Ashwini >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 12:03, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Attaching a plate provided by Santosh Agarwal ji in Viola >>>>>> confusa?/ABMAR21 >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/indiantreepix/v3iEgrK7nOU> >>>>>> Style is more closer to Viola canescens >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>> rather >>>>>> than Viola pilosa >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>> >>>>>> I feel we have to rely more on Flora of Pakistan >>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607> as >>>>>> both the species are listed here (and found in the area) and this issue >>>>>> must have been deliberated for long times and keys framed accordingly due >>>>>> to confusing nature between the two. >>>>>> >>>>>> *Leaves* are clearly acuminate in Viola pilosa >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>> and >>>>>> not so in Viola canescens >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>> There is a clear difference as to how *style* is visible in the >>>>>> live flowers in both species at Viola canescens >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>> and Viola pilosa >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>> One more point is the *nature of the lower petal *being mostly acute >>>>>> or acuminate in Viola pilosa >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-pilosa> >>>>>> and >>>>>> obtuse in Viola canescens >>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I think the above three point combined together should clinch the id >>>>>> in most of the cases. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 11:14, Ashwini Bhatia <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you Mr. Garg and Tabish ji for your comments. We can all >>>>>>> appreciate the difficulties involved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The issue boils down to which source(s) we trust the most in our >>>>>>> identifications. Especially when the sources we usually refer to do not >>>>>>> agree with each other. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> When I began looking at the two viola species in Dharamshala in >>>>>>> 2015, the first characteristic I looked at was the stipules. I was told >>>>>>> that the fringed ones meant canescens and toothed ones pilosa. Now I >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> learnt that these can be variable. FOC describes them for V. Pilosa as >>>>>>> "stipules >>>>>>> mostly free, brown or green, lanceolate, margin long or shortly >>>>>>> fimbriate-dentate, apex long acuminate”. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of China does not include *V. c**anescens* in its list of >>>>>>> viola species in China but makes a brief comment under *V. pilosa* >>>>>>> description "In FRPS (51: 90. 1991), the name *Viola canescens* Wallich >>>>>>> was misapplied to this species.” FRPS is Latin for Flora of China. This >>>>>>> is >>>>>>> not elaborated further so we will not know if the author(s) does not >>>>>>> approve of *V. canescens* as a valid species or is merely >>>>>>> suggesting that these features were earlier confused with *V. >>>>>>> canescens*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Next, I learnt that to know violas, one has to look at the >>>>>>> style/stigma. So I did my best to look at the style closely. I found out >>>>>>> that the *style is club-shaped, gradually thickening upwards >>>>>>> culminating in a perforated stigma placed on the side*. >>>>>>> This matches the description given by FOC for *V. pilosa*. But >>>>>>> Flora of Pakistan gives the stigma for *V. canescens* as >>>>>>> club-shaped but does not elaborate more. >>>>>>> FOP does not give the shape of the stigma for *V. pilosa* but tells >>>>>>> us that it is beaked. The perforation-like stigma, can be seen like a >>>>>>> beak >>>>>>> from an angle but I am not sure if I want to base my identification on a >>>>>>> feature that is open to interpretation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> * Flora Simlensis *says that *V. canescens* has a truncated stigma >>>>>>> and not beaked, and describes stigma for *V. serpens* (synonym of *V. >>>>>>> pilosa*) as being three-lobed and beaked. The stigma on our plant >>>>>>> may look truncated to the naked eye but under a modest magnification, >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> shape becomes obvious. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Flowers of the Himalaya lists *V. pilosa* as having a 3-lobed >>>>>>> stigma with a beak too but does not comment on the stigma of *V. >>>>>>> canescens*. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> So neither the stipules nor the style/stigma shapes are agreed upon >>>>>>> in the literature. FOC pdf was compiled in 2007 and could be the most >>>>>>> recent study we have on the genus in China/Asia. I am not sure how often >>>>>>> the Flora of Pakistan is updated but the books I have consulted are all >>>>>>> much older than 2007. But since the study does not include *V. >>>>>>> canescens* at all, we are still left wondering. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Our species matches the descriptions broadly for *V. pilosa* in FOC >>>>>>> and *V. canescens* in FOP. How do we move forward? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thank you and regards, >>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On 12-Apr-2020, at 9:47 AM, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> This is from FOC description of Viola pilosa: >>>>>>> "styles clavate, base slightly geniculate, gradually thickened >>>>>>> upward; stigmas ± flat, not margined, very inconspicuously short beaked >>>>>>> in >>>>>>> front, with smaller stigma hole at tip of beak." >>>>>>> best wishes >>>>>>> Tabish >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr, 2020, 8:38 AM J.M. Garg, <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As both species are quite confusing, these key features are not >>>>>>>> visible in images of Viola canescens at FOI >>>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/catalog/slides/Himalayan%20White%20Violet.html> >>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>> I have doubts about correctness of these images in FOI. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 at 08:27, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Pl. see Viola canescens >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/species/m---z/v/violaceae/viola/viola-canescens>. >>>>>>>>> I think style is the best clue. *Here style is club shaped. >>>>>>>>> Leaves are also not acuminate.* >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> As per keys in Flora of Pakistan >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607> >>>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>>> 13 (12) >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-12> >>>>>>>>> Stigma >>>>>>>>> beaked. Ovary glabrous (14) >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-14> >>>>>>>>> + Stigma club shaped. Ovary hairy 2 Viola canescens >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014339> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 14 (13) >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=134607#KEY-1-13> >>>>>>>>> Leaves >>>>>>>>> acuminate. Sepals lanceolate, acute, ciliate-dentate 3 Viola >>>>>>>>> pilosa >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014403> >>>>>>>>> + Leaves obtuse. Sepals ovate, obtuse, entire 1 Viola odorata >>>>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200014395> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 at 23:36, Tabish <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> This type of Viola, with all sepals equal and with ciliate >>>>>>>>>> margins, I would think it is >>>>>>>>>> *Viola pilosa. * >>>>>>>>>> * Tabish* >>>>>>>>>> ------------------------------------------- >>>>>>>>>> <http://www.flowersofindia.net/>www.flowersofindia.net >>>>>>>>>> The waterhole of flower lovers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Apr 11, 2020 at 6:24 PM Ashwini Bhatia < >>>>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> This is the second species from Dharamshala which is still >>>>>>>>>>> confusing. The flowers can be from pure white to deep mauve and >>>>>>>>>>> vary in >>>>>>>>>>> size from 1.5 to 2.2cm. Most are wider than long. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The petals are of different shapes and sizes. The two uppermost >>>>>>>>>>> are the broadest at ca. 7mm, the laterals are roughly 5mm wide >>>>>>>>>>> (both about >>>>>>>>>>> 13mm long). The lowest petal (or the uppermost if you consider >>>>>>>>>>> resupination, but for clarity I am using the lowest) is the >>>>>>>>>>> narrowest at >>>>>>>>>>> 4mm and excluding the spur about 10mm long. The spur is >>>>>>>>>>> cylindrical, white, >>>>>>>>>>> and can be hooked or not and is 3mm long. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The leaves are slightly paler underneath, hairy on both surfaces >>>>>>>>>>> with scattered white hairs. The petiole is hairy and the stipules >>>>>>>>>>> are >>>>>>>>>>> laciniate (with long hair-like projections on both long edges). >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The pedicel projects beyond the leaves mostly and is covered on >>>>>>>>>>> white hairs too. Sepals are lanceolate, equal and have hairy >>>>>>>>>>> margins. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The anthers are pale yellow, two with nectaries projecting into >>>>>>>>>>> the spur. The nectaries are yellow-green, hairy and about 2mm long. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The ovary is hairy at the top. The stigma appears truncated at >>>>>>>>>>> lower magnification but up-close reveals a crater like perforation >>>>>>>>>>> at the >>>>>>>>>>> top of the club-shaped style. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The seeds are yellow with dark purple warts on their surface. >>>>>>>>>>> Elaiosomes are prominent. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Depending on how we interpret this data, we could either believe >>>>>>>>>>> this to be *Viola pilosa* or *Viola canescens*. All comments >>>>>>>>>>> are welcome. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>>>>>> Ashwini >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> All photos taken between 1750 and 2200m in Dharamshala, Himachal >>>>>>>>>>> Pradesh. the flowering season is usually late February to June. A >>>>>>>>>>> few >>>>>>>>>>> plants can be found well into autumn too. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> 'Creating awareness of Indian Flora & Fauna' >>>>>>>>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Jmgarg1> >>>>>>>>> Winner of Wipro-NFS Sparrow Awards 2014 for efloraofindia >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/award-for-efloraofindia> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> For identification, learning, discussion & documentation of Indian >>>>>>>>> Flora, please visit/ join our Efloraofindia Google e-group >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/indiantreepix> (largest >>>>>>>>> in the world- more than 3,000 members & 3,00,000 messages on 23.8.18) >>>>>>>>> or >>>>>>>>> Efloraofindia website >>>>>>>>> <https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/> (with a species >>>>>>>>> database of more than 13,000 species & 3,00,000 images of which more >>>>>>>>> than >>>>>>>>> 2,50,000 images are directly displayed on 31.1.20). >>>>>>>>> The whole world uses my Image Resource >>>>>>>>> <http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:J.M.Garg> of more >>>>>>>>> than a thousand species & eight thousand images of Birds, Butterflies, >>>>>>>>> Plants etc. (arranged alphabetically & place-wise). 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