Thanks, Singh ji On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 19:16, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote:
> Since S. sinensis and S. australis are now treated as distinct species > according to POWO (synonyms acoording to both eFlora of China and eFlora of > Pakistan), I chanced upon this 2020 paper published in Acta Phytotax Geobot > _pdf (jst.go.jp) > <https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/apg/71/2/71_201922/_pdf> > It further confuses me as it says "the stems, inflorescence and ovaries of > S. australis are generally pubescent, whereas those of S. sinensis are > reported to be glabrous. Pankaj ji please resolve > > On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:49:44 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: > >> 1. read S. sinensis for S. spiranthes >> >> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:48:19 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >> >>> Thanks Garg ji for bringing up old interesting conversation (now >>> locked). Only Pankaj can resolve it for us. I have 22 more images which I >>> can share with Pankaj ji if he wants: But these do suggest S. himalayensis: >>> 1. Flowering (clicked) in May (vs flowering August to Septtember in >>> India in S. spiranthes) >>> 2. I can see densely pubescent inflorescence with some glandular hairs >>> (vs pubescent to glabrous in S. sinensis) >>> 3. Flower completely white (vs pink or purple, tip sometimes white in S. >>> sinensis) >>> >>> More of course Pankaj would give final verdict. >>> >>> >>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 4:50:19 PM UTC+5:30 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: >>> >>>> Spiranthes australis is not found in India. It is not easy to confirm >>>> this. Recently Spiranthes hongkongensis was reported from Nepal so there >>>> are chances of having it in India too. Some details needed to confirm. >>>> Please check the pdf attached. >>>> Pankaj >>>> >>>> >>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 23:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Flora of China >>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200028827> >>>>> also >>>>> supports this. >>>>> >>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 20:58, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> As per efi thread >>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/1v4wWBkaXSY> >>>>>> : >>>>>> In Flora of British India the species was described under the name >>>>>> *Spiranthes >>>>>> australis* (R. Br.) Lindl., A species name (rather combination) >>>>>> proposed in 1824, based on *Neottia australis* R. Br. (1810), a >>>>>> species supposed to have pubescent inflorescence spike (it is also >>>>>> supposed to have pubescent bracts and floral parts partly as I read from >>>>>> other sources). >>>>>> *Spiranthes sinensis* (Pers.) Ames, is a name (rather combination) >>>>>> given in 1908, based on *Neottia sinensis* Pers. (1807), a species >>>>>> described from China and differing in glabrous spikes (and bracts and >>>>>> floral parts). >>>>>> It has recently been considered by most authors (including Flora of >>>>>> China, Flora of Pakistan, etc.) that these two taxa are synonyms, and as >>>>>> basionym of latter is dated earlier, *Spiranthes sinensis* is >>>>>> accepted name. >>>>>> >>>>>> It must be remembered that it is matter of taxonomic judgement (and >>>>>> not a simple issue of names), as the two species were originally >>>>>> described >>>>>> as distinct species (they have distinct types). For those who consider >>>>>> the >>>>>> differences are not enough would treat them under single species* S. >>>>>> sinensis*. Those who think (like original authors) that differences >>>>>> are sufficient, and are also trying to detect further differences to >>>>>> strengthen their distinct identity, would consider them as two separate >>>>>> species. I think … is just trying to do that, trying to settle the >>>>>> riddle, >>>>>> and he being a world renowned Orchid specialist is both qualified to do >>>>>> that. More so he owes the duty of resolving it for us. Let us appreciate >>>>>> that. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 at 20:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, Singh ji, for the six detailed images >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zAzXn59BJmU>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 21:49 >>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:412559] Spiranthes australis from Himachal >>>>>>> Pradesh-GS16012022-5 >>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Spiranthes australis clicked from along Bhangayani Temple Nohradhar >>>>>>> Road, Himachal Pradesh, 25-5-2015 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpUZ8QmC-pMk1X1uir0dtNfSkDPgP7E8dwrynGCRRhL8RA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpUZ8QmC-pMk1X1uir0dtNfSkDPgP7E8dwrynGCRRhL8RA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>> . >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> With regards, >>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> With regards, >>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> >>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>> >>>> 32, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen, Lam Tsuen, >>>> >>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >>>> >>>> *email*: [email protected] >>>> *Phone*: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>> >>> -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "efloraofindia" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ae66ec5e-c8e7-4298-a6e4-507379c9509fn%40googlegroups.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ae66ec5e-c8e7-4298-a6e4-507379c9509fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- With regards, J.M.Garg -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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