Dear Pankaj How about some glandular hairs I see in my specimens, and completely white flowers which point towards your S. himalensis. I can more images if you want.
On Tuesday, January 25, 2022 at 12:12:11 PM UTC+5:30 Dr Pankaj Kumar wrote: > Respected Sir > Please check the pdf I attached last time. > S. sinensis comes in both glabrous and hairy forms. We have seen both and > checked DNA too. They are exactly same as per DNA. > To me this was a surprise. Thats why I dislike DNA studies so much. How > can one with and the other without hairs have same DNA!! > Pankaj > > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 at 14:25, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Thanks, Singh ji >> >> On Sun, 23 Jan 2022 at 19:16, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> Since S. sinensis and S. australis are now treated as distinct species >>> according to POWO (synonyms acoording to both eFlora of China and eFlora of >>> Pakistan), I chanced upon this 2020 paper published in Acta Phytotax Geobot >>> _pdf (jst.go.jp) >>> <https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/apg/71/2/71_201922/_pdf> >>> It further confuses me as it says "the stems, inflorescence and ovaries >>> of S. australis are generally pubescent, whereas those of S. sinensis are >>> reported to be glabrous. Pankaj ji please resolve >>> >>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:49:44 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh wrote: >>> >>>> 1. read S. sinensis for S. spiranthes >>>> >>>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 6:48:19 PM UTC+5:30 Gurcharan Singh >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Thanks Garg ji for bringing up old interesting conversation (now >>>>> locked). Only Pankaj can resolve it for us. I have 22 more images which I >>>>> can share with Pankaj ji if he wants: But these do suggest S. >>>>> himalayensis: >>>>> 1. Flowering (clicked) in May (vs flowering August to Septtember in >>>>> India in S. spiranthes) >>>>> 2. I can see densely pubescent inflorescence with some glandular hairs >>>>> (vs pubescent to glabrous in S. sinensis) >>>>> 3. Flower completely white (vs pink or purple, tip sometimes white in >>>>> S. sinensis) >>>>> >>>>> More of course Pankaj would give final verdict. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Sunday, January 23, 2022 at 4:50:19 PM UTC+5:30 Dr Pankaj Kumar >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Spiranthes australis is not found in India. It is not easy to confirm >>>>>> this. Recently Spiranthes hongkongensis was reported from Nepal so there >>>>>> are chances of having it in India too. Some details needed to confirm. >>>>>> Please check the pdf attached. >>>>>> Pankaj >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 23:34, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Flora of China >>>>>>> <http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200028827> >>>>>>> also >>>>>>> supports this. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sat, 22 Jan 2022 at 20:58, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> As per efi thread >>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en&fromgroups#!topic/indiantreepix/1v4wWBkaXSY> >>>>>>>> : >>>>>>>> In Flora of British India the species was described under the name >>>>>>>> *Spiranthes >>>>>>>> australis* (R. Br.) Lindl., A species name (rather combination) >>>>>>>> proposed in 1824, based on *Neottia australis* R. Br. (1810), a >>>>>>>> species supposed to have pubescent inflorescence spike (it is also >>>>>>>> supposed to have pubescent bracts and floral parts partly as I read >>>>>>>> from >>>>>>>> other sources). >>>>>>>> *Spiranthes sinensis* (Pers.) Ames, is a name (rather combination) >>>>>>>> given in 1908, based on *Neottia sinensis* Pers. (1807), a species >>>>>>>> described from China and differing in glabrous spikes (and bracts and >>>>>>>> floral parts). >>>>>>>> It has recently been considered by most authors (including Flora of >>>>>>>> China, Flora of Pakistan, etc.) that these two taxa are synonyms, and >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> basionym of latter is dated earlier, *Spiranthes sinensis* is >>>>>>>> accepted name. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It must be remembered that it is matter of taxonomic judgement (and >>>>>>>> not a simple issue of names), as the two species were originally >>>>>>>> described >>>>>>>> as distinct species (they have distinct types). For those who consider >>>>>>>> the >>>>>>>> differences are not enough would treat them under single species* S. >>>>>>>> sinensis*. Those who think (like original authors) that >>>>>>>> differences are sufficient, and are also trying to detect further >>>>>>>> differences to strengthen their distinct identity, would consider them >>>>>>>> as >>>>>>>> two separate species. I think … is just trying to do that, trying to >>>>>>>> settle >>>>>>>> the riddle, and he being a world renowned Orchid specialist is both >>>>>>>> qualified to do that. More so he owes the duty of resolving it for us. >>>>>>>> Let >>>>>>>> us appreciate that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Wed, 19 Jan 2022 at 20:32, J.M. Garg <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks, Singh ji, for the six detailed images >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/g/indiantreepix/c/zAzXn59BJmU>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ---------- Forwarded message --------- >>>>>>>>> From: Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> Date: Sun, 16 Jan 2022 at 21:49 >>>>>>>>> Subject: [efloraofindia:412559] Spiranthes australis from Himachal >>>>>>>>> Pradesh-GS16012022-5 >>>>>>>>> To: efloraofindia <[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Spiranthes australis clicked from along Bhangayani Temple >>>>>>>>> Nohradhar Road, Himachal Pradesh, 25-5-2015 >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>>> https://www.gurcharanfamily.com/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>>>>>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, >>>>>>>>> send an email to [email protected]. >>>>>>>>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>>>>>>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpUZ8QmC-pMk1X1uir0dtNfSkDPgP7E8dwrynGCRRhL8RA%40mail.gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/CAHiXKpUZ8QmC-pMk1X1uir0dtNfSkDPgP7E8dwrynGCRRhL8RA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>>>>>> . >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> With regards, >>>>>>> J.M.Garg >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. >>>>>> *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* >>>>>> >>>>>> 32, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen, Lam Tsuen, >>>>>> >>>>>> Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China >>>>>> >>>>>> *email*: [email protected] >>>>>> *Phone*: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) >>>>>> >>>>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>> Groups "efloraofindia" group. >>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>> an email to [email protected]. >>> To view this discussion on the web, visit >>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ae66ec5e-c8e7-4298-a6e4-507379c9509fn%40googlegroups.com >>> >>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/indiantreepix/ae66ec5e-c8e7-4298-a6e4-507379c9509fn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>> . >>> >> >> >> -- >> With regards, >> J.M.Garg >> > > > -- > > *Pankaj Kumar*, Ph.D. > *IUCN-SSC Orchid Specialist Group Asia* > > 32, 2nd Floor, Shui Wo Tsuen, Lam Tsuen, > > Lam Kam Road, Tai Po, New Territories, Hong Kong S.A.R., China > > *email*: [email protected] > *Phone*: +852 9436 6251 (mobile) > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "efloraofindia" group. 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