Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a site but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I say cucurbit (please correct me). Regards Yazdy.
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one uploaded by > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles > http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> > wrote: >> >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. >> >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's input ... >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival (ritual >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: >> >> कारिंट karinta >> कारीट karita >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter fruit) >> चिराटे chiraate >> >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): >> ... >> http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html >> >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php >> >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm >> >> >> >> >> Narrowing down to following in this order: >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis var. >> pubescens) >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out >> >> >> >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : >> >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. Nadkarni, >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading >> ... >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false >> >> >> More comments, please. >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet satisfied. We >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for what >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit that I >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. >>> Regards >>> Yazdy. >>> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >>> wrote: >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with what is >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis trigonis now >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A fruit >>> > which >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon in >>> > color, >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS EDIBLE AND >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. melo >>> > would >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ >>> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 >>> > >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, bitter and >>> > not >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. sativus >>> > var. >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild cucumber, >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. sativus. >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on cucurbits. >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and again. >>> > >>> > -- >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>> > Retired Associate Professor >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>> > >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >>> > wrote: >>> >> >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for Zeneria >>> >> scabra. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 >>> >> Regards >>> >> Yazdy. >>> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> > hello everyone, >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is very >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our home... >>> >> > >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of >>> >> >> discussion >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the animals enjoy >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried cattle >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. >>> >> >> Regards >>> >> >> Yazdy. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke >>> >> >> <[email protected]> >>> >> >> wrote: >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • Assamese: >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ >>> >> >> > tiyoh, >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • Hindi: >>> >> >> > खीरा >>> >> >> > khira >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • Konkani: >>> >> >> > तौशे >>> >> >> > taushe • >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: থবী >>> >> >> > thabi • >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी tavashi • >>> >> >> > Nepalese: >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि khir-kakri • >>> >> >> > Oriya: >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • Punjabi: >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ >>> >> >> > khira >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी charbati, >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् trapusam >>> >> >> > • >>> >> >> > Sindhi: >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస dosa, కీర >>> >> >> > kira • >>> >> >> > Urdu: >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super eight >>> >> >> > temples of >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... resolved >>> >> >> > by >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. >>> >> >> > ... more views at >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > >http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags >>> >> >> >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - >>> >> >> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >> > > > >
