Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh ji, Thank you for being so patient with this lay person. I will go through the links copied by you. I do not recollect having stated that it is melon(c melo). The only reason I have been maintaining that it is not c sativus is because , I see no picture that is matching the pictures attached by me. I do not know the definition of C sativus. Shall try to go through and find out the definition and revert back. Thank you once again for being so patient. Regards Yazdy
On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Yazdy ji > Just try to compare and decide does this plant resemble more with melon (C. > melo) or cucumber (C. sativus)? You should get the answer. > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >> Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a site >> but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had >> uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the >> wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. >> I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I >> say cucurbit (please correct me). >> Regards >> Yazdy. >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one uploaded >> > by >> > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji >> > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles >> > >> > http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg >> > >> > -- >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> > Retired Associate Professor >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> > >> > >> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected]> >> > wrote: >> >> >> >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! >> >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. >> >> >> >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's input ... >> >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival >> >> (ritual >> >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: >> >> >> >> कारिंट karinta >> >> कारीट karita >> >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter fruit) >> >> चिराटे chiraate >> >> >> >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): >> >> ... >> >> >> >> http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html >> >> >> >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >> >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php >> >> >> >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : >> >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Narrowing down to following in this order: >> >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis var. >> >> pubescens) >> >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) >> >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : >> >> >> >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. >> >> Nadkarni, >> >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading >> >> ... >> >> >> >> http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false >> >> >> >> >> >> More comments, please. >> >> >> >> >> >> Regards. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, >> >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet satisfied. We >> >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for what >> >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit that I >> >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. >> >>> Regards >> >>> Yazdy. >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> >> >>> wrote: >> >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. >> >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with what is >> >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis trigonis now >> >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A fruit >> >>> > which >> >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon in >> >>> > color, >> >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS EDIBLE >> >>> > AND >> >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. melo >> >>> > would >> >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. >> >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ >> >>> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 >> >>> > >> >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, bitter >> >>> > and >> >>> > not >> >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. sativus >> >>> > var. >> >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild >> >>> > cucumber, >> >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. sativus. >> >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on cucurbits. >> >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and >> >>> > again. >> >>> > >> >>> > -- >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >> >>> > >> >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> >> >>> > wrote: >> >>> >> >> >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for Zeneria >> >>> >> scabra. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 >> >>> >> Regards >> >>> >> Yazdy. >> >>> >> >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni >> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> > hello everyone, >> >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is very >> >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our home... >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of >> >>> >> >> discussion >> >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the animals >> >>> >> >> enjoy >> >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried >> >>> >> >> cattle >> >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. >> >>> >> >> Regards >> >>> >> >> Yazdy. >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke >> >>> >> >> <[email protected]> >> >>> >> >> wrote: >> >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber >> >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • Assamese: >> >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ >> >>> >> >> > tiyoh, >> >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • >> >>> >> >> > Hindi: >> >>> >> >> > खीरा >> >>> >> >> > khira >> >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • Konkani: >> >>> >> >> > तौशे >> >>> >> >> > taushe • >> >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: থবী >> >>> >> >> > thabi • >> >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी >> >>> >> >> > tavashi • >> >>> >> >> > Nepalese: >> >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि khir-kakri >> >>> >> >> > • >> >>> >> >> > Oriya: >> >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • >> >>> >> >> > Punjabi: >> >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ >> >>> >> >> > khira >> >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी >> >>> >> >> > charbati, >> >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः >> >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् >> >>> >> >> > trapusam >> >>> >> >> > • >> >>> >> >> > Sindhi: >> >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస dosa, కీర >> >>> >> >> > kira • >> >>> >> >> > Urdu: >> >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super >> >>> >> >> > eight >> >>> >> >> > temples of >> >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) >> >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... >> >>> >> >> > resolved >> >>> >> >> > by >> >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. >> >>> >> >> > ... more views at >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > > >http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - >> >>> >> >> >> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >> >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
