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Eflora of Pakistan 2 (1)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-1>Leaf lobes acute. Ovary hispidulous. Fruit elongated or cylindric, rarely ovoid 1 Cucumis sativus<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=200022616> +Leaf lobes not acute. Ovary hairy or densely white woolly. Fruit polymorphic, mostly rounded, ovoid or ellipsoid (3)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-3> 3 (2)<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=108642#KEY-1-2>Leaves usually deeply 5(-7)-lobed, scabrid. Corolla up to 10 mm long. Fruit oblong or obscurely trigonus, upto 7 cm long. Plants wild 3 Cucumis melo subsp. agrestis var. agr<http://efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=5&taxon_id=250077277> Hortus Third C. sativus: Rough-hary. Leaves triangular-ovate, pointed, often somewhat 3-lobed, flowers short stalked and clustered in axils on main stem. Fruit prickly when young. C. melo: Softly hairy. Leaves round-ovate to nearly reniform, obtuse. Flower long stalked. Young fruit pubescent. -- Dr. Gurcharan Singh Retired Associate Professor SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:37 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh ji, > Thank you for being so patient with this lay person. I will go through > the links copied by you. I do not recollect having stated that it is > melon(c melo). The only reason I have been maintaining that it is not > c sativus is because , I see no picture that is matching the pictures > attached by me. I do not know the definition of C sativus. Shall try > to go through and find out the definition and revert back. > Thank you once again for being so patient. > Regards > Yazdy > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 9:40 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > wrote: > > Yazdy ji > > Just try to compare and decide does this plant resemble more with melon > (C. > > melo) or cucumber (C. sativus)? You should get the answer. > > > > -- > > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > > Retired Associate Professor > > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> > >> Exactly Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, I have been going through many a site > >> but am not able to see a single picture of the cucumis that we had > >> uploaded. Somewhere I did read that a bitter cucumis is seen in the > >> wild and it is also used in Ayurveda but it has no English name. > >> I am still on the lookout for any entry of this cucumis or should I > >> say cucurbit (please correct me). > >> Regards > >> Yazdy. > >> > >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:45 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> > >> wrote: > >> > This is what should be Cucumis melo ssp. agrestris and not one > uploaded > >> > by > >> > Dinesh ji and Yazdi ji > >> > Note pubescent young fruits and absence of tubercles > >> > > >> > > http://www.jircas.affrc.go.jp/project/africa_dojo/FakaraPlants/Contents/Species_pages/images/CucummelM1_l.jpg > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> > Retired Associate Professor > >> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> > > >> > > >> > On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 2:20 AM, Dinesh Valke <[email protected] > > > >> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >> Many thanks Yazdy ji for the good spirits !! > >> >> Many thanks to Gurcharan ji for Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii. > >> >> > >> >> After having surfed for more information related to Mani ji's input > ... > >> >> ... found that the "wild cucumber" used during Deepavali festival > >> >> (ritual > >> >> common in Maharashtra) is known by so many names: > >> >> > >> >> कारिंट karinta > >> >> कारीट karita > >> >> कडू कारीट kadu karita (एक प्रकारचे कडू फळ ... a kind of bitter fruit) > >> >> चिराटे chiraate > >> >> > >> >> - reading in English (search karit for getting to the context): > >> >> ... > >> >> > >> >> > http://www.anothersubcontinent.com/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t2687.html > >> >> > >> >> - reading in Hindi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > >> >> ... http://www.nanijdham.org/hi_1/faq.php > >> >> > >> >> - reading in Marathi (search कारीट for getting to the context) : > >> >> ... www.loksatta.com/old/daily/20021103/lokviv4.htm > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Narrowing down to following in this order: > >> >> - Cucumis trigonus var. pubescens (syn. C. pseudo-colocynthis var. > >> >> pubescens) > >> >> - Cucumis sativus var. hardwickii (syn: C. hardwickii ) > >> >> - Citrullus colocynthis ... ruling out > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Tending to get convinced with Cucumis trigonus (var. pubescens) : > >> >> > >> >> - Dr. K.M. Nadkarni's Indian Materia Medica., Volume 2 By K. M. > >> >> Nadkarni, > >> >> A. K. Nadkarni ... interesting reading > >> >> ... > >> >> > >> >> > http://books.google.co.in/books?id=RA4Npohz4CEC&pg=PA405&lpg=PA405&dq=karit+Cucumis+trigonus&source=bl&ots=tY9YsdgjWC&sig=rlU22HIJCTJEq7HiwMi8wpge9D4&hl=en&ei=g3WxTKmbBYGycdDv9LIG&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=3&sqi=2&ved=0CCIQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=karit%20Cucumis%20trigonus&f=false > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> More comments, please. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> Regards. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> On Sun, Oct 10, 2010 at 8:29 AM, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> > >> >> wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>> Dear Dr. Gurcharan Singh Ji, > >> >>> I have gone through the links sent by you. I am not yet satisfied. > We > >> >>> definitely have achieved quite a bit but I will keep looking for > what > >> >>> I think is the correct identity. At the same time, I must admit that > I > >> >>> am a lay person and may be wrong. > >> >>> Regards > >> >>> Yazdy. > >> >>> > >> >>> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 11:54 PM, Gurcharan Singh < > [email protected]> > >> >>> wrote: > >> >>> > Friends we seem to be reaching somewhere. > >> >>> > Firstly let us not confuse plant uploaded by Dinesh ji with what > is > >> >>> > established Kachri fruit. Kachri is botanically Cucumis trigonis > now > >> >>> > correctly known as C. melo subsp. agrestris var. agrestris. A > fruit > >> >>> > which > >> >>> > rarely exceeds 4 cm in length, is a mini version of watermelon in > >> >>> > color, > >> >>> > fruit green with dark green stripes. And important KACHRI IS > EDIBLE > >> >>> > AND > >> >>> > POPULARLY USED AS VEGETABLE IN VILLAGES. The young fruit of C. > melo > >> >>> > would > >> >>> > never have tubercles, it may be softly pubescent. > >> >>> > http://madteaparty.wordpress.com/2007/07/26/a-strange-gourd/ > >> >>> > http://efloras.org/object_page.aspx?object_id=86657&flora_id=5 > >> >>> > > >> >>> > The plant uploaded by Dinesh ji and Yazdy ji if it is wild, bitter > >> >>> > and > >> >>> > not > >> >>> > edible (as informed by Yazdy ji, , surely we have reached C. > sativus > >> >>> > var. > >> >>> > hardwickii (Royle) Alef. (syn: C. hardwickii Royle) the wild > >> >>> > cucumber, > >> >>> > considered by some to be the progenitor of C. sativus var. > sativus. > >> >>> > If that is so we have achieved a lot in this series on cucurbits. > >> >>> > And thanks Dinesh ji for uploading these photographs again and > >> >>> > again. > >> >>> > > >> >>> > -- > >> >>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > >> >>> > Retired Associate Professor > >> >>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > >> >>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > >> >>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > >> >>> > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > >> >>> > > >> >>> > On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 10:04 AM, Yazdy Palia < > [email protected]> > >> >>> > wrote: > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> This is not Zehneria Scabra. Please go through the link for > Zeneria > >> >>> >> scabra. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> > http://www.google.co.in/search?q=Zehneria+scabra&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&client=firefox-a&rlz=1R1GGGL_en___IN364 > >> >>> >> Regards > >> >>> >> Yazdy. > >> >>> >> > >> >>> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 9:27 PM, Aboli Kulkarni > >> >>> >> <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >> > hello everyone, > >> >>> >> > I think this is wild cucumber ( Zehneria scabra)... this is > very > >> >>> >> > common... we can easily see this in the vicinity of our home... > >> >>> >> > > >> >>> >> > On Oct 9, 9:15 am, Yazdy Palia <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >>> >> >> This is not cucumber. It is a wild fruit, we have a lot of > >> >>> >> >> discussion > >> >>> >> >> recently. It is normally found around cowsheds as the animals > >> >>> >> >> enjoy > >> >>> >> >> the fruits in the wild and the seeds sprout from the dried > >> >>> >> >> cattle > >> >>> >> >> dropping. We have a lot of it in our area. > >> >>> >> >> Regards > >> >>> >> >> Yazdy. > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:07 AM, Dinesh Valke > >> >>> >> >> <[email protected]> > >> >>> >> >> wrote: > >> >>> >> >> > Cucumis sativus > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > KOO-koo-mis -- from the Greek kykyon meaning, cucumber > >> >>> >> >> > sa-TEE-vus -- cultivated > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > commonly known as: cucumber • Arabic: خيار khiyar • > Assamese: > >> >>> >> >> > তিয়ঁহ > >> >>> >> >> > tiyoh, > >> >>> >> >> > তিঁহু tihu • Bengali: শশা sasa • Gujarati: કાકડી kakadi • > >> >>> >> >> > Hindi: > >> >>> >> >> > खीरा > >> >>> >> >> > khira > >> >>> >> >> > • Kannada: ಸೌತೆಕಾಯಿ sautekayi • Kashmiri: लौरू loru • > Konkani: > >> >>> >> >> > तौशे > >> >>> >> >> > taushe • > >> >>> >> >> > Lushai: fang-hma • Malayalam: വെള്ളരി vellari • Manipuri: > থবী > >> >>> >> >> > thabi • > >> >>> >> >> > Marathi: काकडी kakadi, कांकडी kankadi, खिरा khira, तवशी > >> >>> >> >> > tavashi • > >> >>> >> >> > Nepalese: > >> >>> >> >> > काँक्रो kankro, खिर् khir, खिरो khiro, खिर्-काँक्रि > khir-kakri > >> >>> >> >> > • > >> >>> >> >> > Oriya: > >> >>> >> >> > kakudi • Persian: خيار khiyar • Prakrit: खीरओ khira-o • > >> >>> >> >> > Punjabi: > >> >>> >> >> > ਖੀਰਾ > >> >>> >> >> > khira > >> >>> >> >> > • Sanskrit: अल्पणः alpanah, अल्पणकः alpanakah, चर्भटी > >> >>> >> >> > charbati, > >> >>> >> >> > ईर्वारुः > >> >>> >> >> > irvaaruh, क्षीरकः kshirakah, त्रपुलम् trapulam, त्रपुसम् > >> >>> >> >> > trapusam > >> >>> >> >> > • > >> >>> >> >> > Sindhi: > >> >>> >> >> > وَنگيِ vangii • Tamil: வெள்ளரி vellari • Telugu: దోస dosa, > కీర > >> >>> >> >> > kira • > >> >>> >> >> > Urdu: > >> >>> >> >> > کهيرا khira > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > Attached views from town of Pali (famous for one of super > >> >>> >> >> > eight > >> >>> >> >> > temples of > >> >>> >> >> > Lord Ganesha) > >> >>> >> >> > ... these were posted in earlier thread for ID query ... > >> >>> >> >> > resolved > >> >>> >> >> > by > >> >>> >> >> > Gurcharan ji. > >> >>> >> >> > ... more views at > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > > >> >>> >> >> > > > > http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=91314344%40N00&q=Cucumissativus&m=tags > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> > Regards.- Hide quoted text - > >> >>> >> >> > >> >>> >> >> - Show quoted text - > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >>> > > >> >> > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > >
