no problem sirji... i do not have any problem you calling it Hibiscus vitifolia... but i willl follow what i feel is correct..
ok.. here we shall stop discussion about this post.. regards,, On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: > Dear H S > > Please don't make comments like ......all the members are just blindly > following the Plant list or other sites for identification of plants. > > There are many well informed members on the group, who can apply their > judgement in deciding what is correct. We have learnt to respect each member > and expect you to follow the same for the sake of this group. Just for your > information the following databases treat Hibiscus vitifolius as the > accepted name: > > http://plants.usda.gov/java/profile?symbol=HIVI > > http://www.ars-grin.gov/cgi-bin/npgs/html/taxon.pl?19104 > > http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2850698 > > http://www.eol.org/pages/584775/overview > > http://www.jstor.org/pss/4120636 > > http://www.mozambiqueflora.com/speciesdata/species.php?species_id=139680 > > http://www.ville-ge.ch/musinfo/bd/cjb/africa/details.php?langue=an&id=81495 > > These are just a few recent ones. Tanay gave you a valid reason, but if you > still insist that others are wrong, perhaps we may not be able to do any > thing. > I request again, let us discuss, agree or disagree, but don't treat > others as if they don't know any thing. Let us devote our energies towards > helping members to know their plants. > > > > -- > Dr. Gurcharan Singh > Retired Associate Professor > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 > http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ > > > On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 3:06 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: > >> Dear all, >> Apologise if i have hurted anyones sentiments... ... >> >> and my knowledge is like a drop in a big jar of Dr. Singh and many others >> on group. >> >> though i am proud that whatever i have learnt is in a right direction... >> i dont want to pick wrong things from The Plant List... for eg.. suppose >> Kosteletzkya vitifolia name is unresolved because it doesnt have basionym in >> original publication... that doesnt mean that Hibiscus vitifolia becames the >> correct name... instead of making Kosteletzkya vitifolia valid by new >> publication or in newly fresh combination with valid publication,,,, or it >> has to put on discussion.... all the members are just blindly following the >> Plant list or other sites for identification of plants... >> >> We should not forget the purpose of the group... >> >> my intention is just contribute to group for bringing plants valid correct >> name in front of the world.. >> >> regards, >> >> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Tanay Bose <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> This what ICBN Vienna Code 2006 Article 33.5 states >>> >>> "33.5. For names published on or after 1 January 1953, errors in the >>> citation of the basionym or replaced synonym, including incorrect author >>> citation (Art. 46 <http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0050Ch4Sec3a046.htm>), >>> but not omissions (Art. >>> 33.4<http://ibot.sav.sk/icbn/frameset/0037Ch4Sec2a033.htm#33.4.>), >>> do not preclude valid publication of a new combination, new generic name >>> with a basionym, or nomen novum." >>> >>> Tanay >>> >>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 12:01 AM, Tanay Bose <[email protected]>wrote: >>> >>>> Dear H.S Ji. >>>> I appreciate your knowledge in plant but I think your way of >>>> reciprocating >>>> to senior colleagues of the group is not quite O.K for me. In scientific >>>> community >>>> if you are vehemently protesting some ideas then you should have a >>>> strong evidence >>>> for it. It not us who makes these nomenclatural changes but the credit >>>> goes to ICBN. >>>> Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil J. Bombay Nat. Hist. >>>> Soc. 93: 111 1996 >>>> is an unresolved name the reason for it is the absence of basionym in >>>> the publication. >>>> Hence, the new nomenclatural change doesn't make any effect and the old >>>> name or the >>>> basionym i.e. Hibiscus vitifolius L. stays as the the legitimate name. >>>> Kindly go through the link provided below. >>>> >>>> http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2334897 >>>> >>>> As a moderator of the group I will request you to be cordial with fellow >>>> members of the >>>> group. Though identification of plant is the main aim of our group but >>>> we always make sure >>>> that the interaction within the group stays soothing and peaceful. No >>>> comments from >>>> any members of the group should hurt the sentiments of others. I will >>>> request you to kindly >>>> stick to the group norm and try to help help members >>>> with identification in a bit cordial >>>> manner. Your knowledge in taxonomy is an asset to the group hence we >>>> will always look >>>> to get our knowledge refreshed from your ideas. >>>> forward >>>> >>>> Thanks >>>> Tanay >>>> >>>> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 11:21 PM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> this plant doesnt comes under genus Hibiscus.... its different. >>>>> >>>>> regards, >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 11:44 AM, Gurcharan Singh >>>>> <[email protected]>wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Both GRIN and The Plant List treat Hibiscus vitifolius L. as the >>>>>> accepted name. >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> >>>>>> Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>> Retired Associate Professor >>>>>> SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>> Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>> Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Fri, Sep 9, 2011 at 10:25 AM, H S <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> i think Kosteletzkya vitifolia (L.) M.R.Almeida & N.Patil >>>>>>> is correct name for this plant. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 6:03 PM, shrikant ingalhalikar < >>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Involucral bracts are not forked and calyx is not prickly/bristly. >>>>>>>> Note the nodding corolla also. This is hence not H. radiatus but >>>>>>>> Fioria vitifolia. Regards, Shrikant >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sep 7, 12:11 pm, Gurcharan Singh <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > More shots of leaves and epicalyx should be helpful. To me it does >>>>>>>> not look >>>>>>>> > like H. radiatus. >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > -- >>>>>>>> > Dr. Gurcharan Singh >>>>>>>> > Retired Associate Professor >>>>>>>> > SGTB Khalsa College, University of Delhi, Delhi-110007 >>>>>>>> > Res: 932 Anand Kunj, Vikas Puri, New Delhi-110018. >>>>>>>> > Phone: 011-25518297 Mob: 9810359089 >>>>>>>> http://people.du.ac.in/~singhg45/ >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 12:27 PM, Narendra Joshi < >>>>>>>> [email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>> > > Hibiscus radiatus >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > > -- >>>>>>>> > > With Regards, >>>>>>>> > > Narendra Joshi- Hide quoted text - >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > - Show quoted text - >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> - H.S. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere >>>>>>> heart of stone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> - H.S. >>>>> >>>>> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart >>>>> of stone >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> *Tanay Bose* >>>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>>> Department of Botany. >>>> University of British Columbia . >>>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>>> [email protected] >>>> *Webpages:* >>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html >>>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html >>>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> *Tanay Bose* >>> Research Assistant & Teaching Assistant. >>> Department of Botany. >>> University of British Columbia . >>> 3529-6270 University Blvd. >>> Vancouver, B.C. V6T 1Z4 (Canada) >>> Phone: 778-323-4036 (Mobile) >>> 604-822-2019 (Lab) >>> 604-822-6089 (Fax) >>> [email protected] >>> *Webpages:* >>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/mberbee.html >>> http://www.botany.ubc.ca/people/gradstud.html >>> https://sites.google.com/site/efloraofindia/ >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> - H.S. >> >> A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of >> stone >> >> > > > -- - H.S. A scientific man ought to have no wishes, no affections, - a mere heart of stone
